Climate Crisis

It actually costs less to recycle than it does to pay to haul the stuff away or fill up more landfills. I can look up the numbers - but every year my town publishes how much money was saved by recycling rather than by tossing it all. They even pick up metal items (big items like washing machines etc.) and sell them back to scrap dealers. This also saves money. Where I live - land is at a premium. There is no more room for landfills - we have to recycle.

Kathleen

We have the same, I don't know how widespread it is across the NW (well I don't know where you live actually lol) but it does seem to be more common now to have seperate collections

Agreed, but those are decisions that you make for yourself, not decisions your government should mandate unless Beyondo can predict the future. Otherwise, stop wasting your money on Bon Jovi crap and wasting your time on this board because you are wasting valuable energy and resources that could be spent saving the world. This kind of argument is absurd. The difference between choice and mandate is night and day.

And to say that somebody who disagrees with your argument is ignorant is ridiculous. I have researched and researched this topic to death in the past 10 years and this is my conclusion. You guys look at separated bins and feel good about feeling bad about being human and try to bum off your shame on other people. Misery loves company.

It is absurd.

To disagree is one thing; to call other people who are researched (and may well be more researched than yourself) in an area ignorant because they disagree with you is quite another. I never said you were idiots, I never even disagreed with GW, all I said was that 1) Al Gore is a nitwit poopyants and 2) GW is an unproven complicated theory that has been denounced by a great number of researchers and to say it is a proven fact is a lie (or is at least untrue).

B

http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/dryasm.jpg

Touché

That is like saying the temperature now is hotter than it was 12 hours ago therefore the earth must be heating! We are all going to die! The natural fact is that 12 hours ago (for me at least) it was night time and hadn't had a chance to warm up. Natural cycles exist and it is out of our control for the most part. And it is very difficult to say where one should begin looking at the time vs temp chart

If you look on my link, you will see all kinds of fluctuations in temp. A 13 degree increase in 50 years if I am not mistaken about 11000 years ago or so.

It was all the fat Americans in their SUVs then like now...

11000 years ago.

You will also notice that Earth has been on a temp rise in general for several thousand years.

Haha, my data questions Human Induced GW. Neener Neener neener.

"But Beavoid...GW is a fact...it is unquestionably correct..."

B

And the 'do it just in case' argument is ok too, but by choice not by mandate. If I drove a giant SUV that weighed ungodly amounts I would be much safer on the road, but does that mean driving them should be mandated as well? If everyone was mandated to drive 30 kmph all the time everywhere, would there be fewer accidents? Surely. But isn't that ridiculous?

There are so many factors here... it is ridiculous

B

Calling you 'ignorant' is ridiculous is it?

I would say it is quite apt - not knowing the difference between 'Climate' and 'Weather' is ignorance in itself which is why nobody should take anything you have to say seriously at all. You'd have thought if you'd spent ten years researching this (yeah right!!), you'd be able to differentiate between these two concepts by now.

The fact it happened in other times for whatever reason doesn't mean it can't happen again for another reason.

Fact : More CO2 and other gasses into the atmosphere increases the greenhouse effect.
Fact : Overall, humans are sending more and more of these gasses in the atmosphere everyday.
Fact : Overall, humans are cutting the Earth's ability to absorb these gasses more and more every day (Extensive exploitation of forests and rainforests, saturation of sea waters)

Conclusion : Mankind is having an influence on GW, and a growing one.

A lot of things can be done on small and large scales, with positive effects on our health and wallet on both the short and long run, without making our lives any harder to live.


Ponrauil

well it has been legislated for by our local authority otherwise we wouldnt all have had 3 new bins. what is wrong with government intervention/ assistance in this issue? will people makes these changes on their own? before we had these bins did all the people in my street collect their beer cans , their glass and plastic bottles and take them to the recycle dumps? very few did maybe but now everyone in the street is doing it cause it is so easy. what is wrong with people being informed and then helped in the right direction. of course some people dont think GW is even an issue and so dont want to do anything about it anyway.

yes it is night and day and you clearly have an issue with things like this being legislated for.

this is just nonsense. its not about putting shame on other people its about trying to preserve the planet in a decent environmental state. You have to accept that although you dont credit GW as actually happening, the overwhelming majority of the worlds top scientists do. from what i have read, seen and learnt i think it is happening. Millions of people think that it is happening and they realize that to change it we have to make adjustments in the way we live. Its not about shame or anything else. its about what people believe and are concerned about.

So I am ignorant because you are playing semantics? I would say climate pretty much is the dependant variable in this equation as a function of weather. But let's just see...

cli‧mate /ˈklaɪmɪt/
–noun
1. the composite or generally prevailing ***WEATHER*** conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a series of years.

Weather:
the state of the atmosphere with respect to wind, temperature, cloudiness, moisture, pressure, etc.

Yup...

And, with regards to your jaw-dropping mastery of the English language and debate, I give you props, you must have defined the word red herring.

Alas, I am so overshadowed by intellect here that have little left to do but scuttle into my cave and smoke my crackpipe until I am silly.

peace out,

yo

B

Not quite. You just provided an image that shows there was an ice age. It's a known fact.

No, it's saying that the earth is now warmer than any time after the last ice age.

I agree with the natural cycle, but it's still going to affect us all. And it can be slowed down by recycling, not releasing green house gases into the atmosphere and not using fossil fuels.

Your graph is wrong, it was actually 12000 years ago. But anyway, the fluctuations prove as much as any other research. If you believe one, you should believe the opposite as well.

No, your graph doesn't show that. It says that the earth temperature has been pretty stable the last 10000 years. Can you read graphs at all?

No, you just can't read it, it seems.

Ice