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Old 10-21-2015, 01:33 AM
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I don't think it's negative. I think it's realistic. It's like raising the minimum wage. Everyone agrees people need to be able to make a living wage. But we all know that it will mean costs will go up or machines will do the work. McDonald's can't serve hamburgers for a $1 and pay their employees $15 an hour. Also, if people are going to make $15 for flipping burgers, then people who have real marketable skills and training/education who barely make that or a little more should get pay raises that reflect their education status--firemen, cops, EMTs, teachers, etc.

I've been thinking a lot about it today and it made me wonder what would be the incentive for a person like Steve Jobs to create things if he knew half his income would be taken from him just because he was smarter than the rest of us? Is that really FAIR? Is FAIR the right word? Fair is where everyone gets treated the same.
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Old 10-21-2015, 02:40 AM
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I don't think it's negative. I think it's realistic. It's like raising the minimum wage. Everyone agrees people need to be able to make a living wage. But we all know that it will mean costs will go up or machines will do the work. McDonald's can't serve hamburgers for a $1 and pay their employees $15 an hour. Also, if people are going to make $15 for flipping burgers, then people who have real marketable skills and training/education who barely make that or a little more should get pay raises that reflect their education status--firemen, cops, EMTs, teachers, etc.

I've been thinking a lot about it today and it made me wonder what would be the incentive for a person like Steve Jobs to create things if he knew half his income would be taken from him just because he was smarter than the rest of us? Is that really FAIR? Is FAIR the right word? Fair is where everyone gets treated the same.
Well the thing is, those of us that have real marketable skills make far more than the $15.00 an hour talked about. When I had my first kid in the late 70s I hired a woman to come into my house to help care for him when I worked (rather than taking him out to a daycare center). I paid the woman I hired $5.00 an hour (which was more than minimum wage at the time) because I really wanted someone responsible. I could have sent him to a daycare center for $1.00 an hour. He was my first kid and I wanted the best for him. When I told a friend about my deal she said - Kathleen - I don't make $5.00 an hour so I couldn't pay that much. At the time - as an engineer - I was making $20.00 an hour and I was more than willing to pay what I needed for child care.

And the point is - because I was making a good salary, the woman I hired also made a good salary. When people aren't having to pinch pennies just to survive, more money is spent and is available to the society in general.

Steve Jobs would not have to worry about a salary. If he made great products that people wanted to buy (and he did) then he would still be rolling in money.
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Old 10-21-2015, 03:38 AM
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Well the thing is, those of us that have real marketable skills make far more than the $15.00 an hour talked about.
Depends on where you live and what you do.

The average fireman makes $14 an hour and the average EMT makes $14.84. Surely these people who risk their lives deserve more than a fry cook. I'm all for raising wages, but if we're going to be "fair" about it, then people who have education and skills and who are risking their lives or teaching our children or protecting our streets deserve cost of living/value of skill raises too.
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Old 11-01-2015, 11:24 AM
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HE is what the world needs? Such a conceited, American answer.


Why I love living in Canada right now, is that he is the laughing stock of everyone right now. Not a single person I know takes him seriously, because he is seriously such an incredible nut job. I literally watch him for the entertainment factor.
Being unable to read sarcasm is a limitation commonly attributed to Americans. Yet you showed it here. I expected more from you.

On a serious note, I don't have a vote, but I am yet to decide who I'll be rooting for in the end. I've always supported liberals in US, however I feel like Bernie is pushing his socialist ideas too far and in a country/system where in the end it comes down to 2 candidates for the whole country, the more central option will always prevail. Plus, I found his response to the Putin question quite insulting. Saying that he believes Putin regrets entering Crimea is very discouraging for someone like me (I'm from Lithuania, very close to Ukraine), it's not what I want to hear from the US president. So he lost my vote.

Hilary, on the other hand, I don't find pleasant at all, but I do like how radical she's been towards Russia. She's not the perfect candidate, but she seems quite central, plus she's a woman; and these two things make her very electable in my opinion.

I haven't followed the GOP debates yet, because there are just way too many candidates at the moment, I'll wait till it narrows down. I am open to liking one of them, because despite being liberal in social issues, I am quite conservative in fiscal issues. However, the fact that the currently most popular candidate is a joke (Trump) and the second most popular seems almost retarded (Jeb) certainly doesn't help.
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Walleris, the other leading republican nominee is Ben Carson and when it comes to IQ he's leading the pack of all the candidates. He's a neurosurgeon, the first to successfully separate twins conjoined at the brain. I like him because he was born dirt poor and had to work to make something of himself. I can respect that. And though it has no bearing on whether he would be a good president I respect him for being a vegetarian. He said that's had to follow traveling so much though.

Anyway I can say he knows enough policy to be president but all the people who know policy don't seem that great either. I'm kinda of sick of the rich and entitled ruling everything and when it comes down to it Bernie and Hillary are just as rich and entitled as Jeb or Donald.
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Walleris, the other leading republican nominee is Ben Carson and when it comes to IQ he's leading the pack of all the candidates. He's a neurosurgeon, the first to successfully separate twins conjoined at the brain. I like him because he was born dirt poor and had to work to make something of himself. I can respect that. And though it has no bearing on whether he would be a good president I respect him for being a vegetarian. He said that's had to follow traveling so much though.

Anyway I can say he knows enough policy to be president but all the people who know policy don't seem that great either. I'm kinda of sick of the rich and entitled ruling everything and when it comes down to it Bernie and Hillary are just as rich and entitled as Jeb or Donald.
I'm still piecing it all together myself but so far Ben Carson is my front runner...

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Walleris, the other leading republican nominee is Ben Carson and when it comes to IQ he's leading the pack of all the candidates. He's a neurosurgeon, the first to successfully separate twins conjoined at the brain. I like him because he was born dirt poor and had to work to make something of himself. I can respect that. And though it has no bearing on whether he would be a good president I respect him for being a vegetarian. He said that's had to follow traveling so much though.

Anyway I can say he knows enough policy to be president but all the people who know policy don't seem that great either. I'm kinda of sick of the rich and entitled ruling everything and when it comes down to it Bernie and Hillary are just as rich and entitled as Jeb or Donald.
You said it yourself.

I don't know anything about Carson, but if these are your arguments for the world's most powerful position then you don't seem to value your vote very much.
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Old 11-01-2015, 08:53 PM
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I would never vote for him FOR being a vegetarian. I just said I RESPECT that about about him. There are A LOT of other reasons I respect Ben Carson. IF YOU READ THE REST OF MY POST I also said I'm not sure he knows enough about policy to be President at this point.

At the same time, we've had plenty of professional politicians as President in the past decades (Bush I, Clinton I, Bush II, Obama) and the country is in the shithole so maybe that's one reason to consider voting for a someone who ISN'T a professional politician but would know who to surround himself with.

I'm following Ben Carson very closely and I'm also following Bernie Sanders very closely. I think Dr. Carson is far and above the most intelligent man in the race and the one who can actually understand the average American citizen because he knows what it's like to be a poor man, to be a struggling man, to work hard, and to make something of himself.


I like a lot of what Bernie wants to do, but I don't think he's practical because I don't think there are any "Free Fairies" waiting in the wings to do what he wants. It all seems very pie in the sky.

I hope it comes down to these two, but I still have a year to make up my mind. If you don't mind, I think I'll take my time deciding because who knows what skeletons will fall out of the closets by next November.

If you know nothing about Dr. Carson, as you said yourself, then you are certainly in no position to judge my respect for the man.
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So about that Trump, hey?

He has stopped being a joke, and has turned into the ultimate racist douchebag.

I am sorry for those Americans that see through his shit. And I am sorry to those Americans that actually seem to not suffer from xenophobia. But looking at the polls, I must say, and I don't say this lightly: Americans are ****ing idiots. I have yet to meet a Canadian that takes Trump seriously.

The end.
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