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Old 11-05-2003, 12:14 AM
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Religion has become such a powerfull tool for controling the masses when it should be a private and personal matter.
It's always been a tool. One could argue about religion being invented for just that.

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Religion has become such a powerfull tool for controling the masses when it should be a private and personal matter.
It's always been a tool. One could argue about religion being invented for just that.

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Old 11-05-2003, 12:35 AM
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Nah. I'm not that religious, I don't have any strong views on it. I just think that organized religion is a bad thing for all inolved.

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Old 11-05-2003, 12:52 AM
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Nah. I'm not that religious, I don't have any strong views on it. I just think that organized religion is a bad thing for all inolved.

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What's worse is that it can be, and has been, bad for those NOT involved.

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Nah. I'm not that religious, I don't have any strong views on it. I just think that organized religion is a bad thing for all inolved.

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What's worse is that it can be, and has been, bad for those NOT involved.

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Old 11-05-2003, 01:01 AM
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Nah. I'm not that religious, I don't have any strong views on it. I just think that organized religion is a bad thing for all inolved.

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have to disagree.
Why? What's your opinion?

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Nah. I'm not that religious, I don't have any strong views on it. I just think that organized religion is a bad thing for all inolved.

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What's worse is that it can be, and has been, bad for those NOT involved.

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well put it this way. the whole conflict in the middle east as in most cases int he world is based around something that no one can or ever will rpvoe ie the existance of God which pretty much destrosy organised religion as we know it.

i think the reason people think israel is a threat to the world is not because they think they have a big enough army to wreak havoc but the fact that there are so many jewish people in power across the world espescially the US in high up places meaning that what happens in Israel has alot of repurcussions for places all over the world.
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Old 11-05-2003, 01:21 AM
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well put it this way. the whole conflict in the middle east as in most cases int he world is based around something that no one can or ever will rpvoe ie the existance of God which pretty much destrosy organised religion as we know it.
I don't think it's based on the existence or not of God. Both sides strongly believe in its existence. And it is organised religion that pushes both sides to fight the other, since one of the main reasons of the war is that they disagree on how to share Jerusalem and other holy sites for example.


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I think the reason people think Israel is a threat to the world is not because they think they have a big enough army to wreak havoc but the fact that there are so many jewish people in power across the world espescially the US in high up places meaning that what happens in Israel has alot of repurcussions for places all over the world.
That could be one of the reasons yes. But I'm sure it's not the only one. The main one I think is that people realise that since Sharon is in place, Israel haven't been that keen to make any effort to reach peace, willingly saying palestinian people and terrorists are the same, maintaining that unstable situation that could lead the world into WW3.

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well put it this way. the whole conflict in the middle east as in most cases int he world is based around something that no one can or ever will rpvoe ie the existance of God which pretty much destrosy organised religion as we know it.
I don't think it's based on the existence or not of God. Both sides strongly believe in its existence. And it is organised religion that pushes both sides to fight the other, since one of the main reasons of the war is that they disagree on how to share Jerusalem and other holy sites for example.


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I think the reason people think Israel is a threat to the world is not because they think they have a big enough army to wreak havoc but the fact that there are so many jewish people in power across the world espescially the US in high up places meaning that what happens in Israel has alot of repurcussions for places all over the world.
That could be one of the reasons yes. But I'm sure it's not the only one. The main one I think is that people realise that since Sharon is in place, Israel haven't been that keen to make any effort to reach peace, willingly saying palestinian people and terrorists are the same, maintaining that unstable situation that could lead the world into WW3.

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the point is that if there was no idea of religiont hen no one would be fighting about some shitty piece of land that appartently belonged to some tribe thousands of years ago. its the same in Uklster/ ireland and places all over the world.
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Old 11-05-2003, 01:37 AM
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well put it this way. the whole conflict in the middle east as in most cases int he world is based around something that no one can or ever will rpvoe ie the existance of God which pretty much destrosy organised religion as we know it.
I don't think it's based on the existence or not of God. Both sides strongly believe in its existence. And it is organised religion that pushes both sides to fight the other, since one of the main reasons of the war is that they disagree on how to share Jerusalem and other holy sites for example.


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I think the reason people think Israel is a threat to the world is not because they think they have a big enough army to wreak havoc but the fact that there are so many jewish people in power across the world espescially the US in high up places meaning that what happens in Israel has alot of repurcussions for places all over the world.
That could be one of the reasons yes. But I'm sure it's not the only one. The main one I think is that people realise that since Sharon is in place, Israel haven't been that keen to make any effort to reach peace, willingly saying palestinian people and terrorists are the same, maintaining that unstable situation that could lead the world into WW3.

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the point is that if there was no idea of religiont hen no one would be fighting about some shitty piece of land that appartently belonged to some tribe thousands of years ago. its the same in Uklster/ ireland and places all over the world.
True. Although I guess men are stupid enough to find other reasons.

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