Disturbing poll

well u don't know that i mean everyones fighting over religion so we don't know wether they would find somethign else to fight about.

Well in some cases religion is just a mask. Sometimes the reason is Oil, territory, glory. For example the war between Argentina and England wasn't about religion.

There are other reasons, unfotunately.

Ponrauil

the falklands is one of the rare cases where it was all about territory.

but the Israeli conflict is all about religion. no religion, no argument about what's holy land and whats not.

Argentina and Britain

lets look at it this way. where do all wars nowadays concerning religiopn stem from.

vietnam, wasnt about religion, the falklands wasnt about religion and the great wars weren't about religion.

it's pretty much only the middle east that fights about religion and religion is the one thing someone will blindly fight for.

anyways i think we're getting off the point here.

no offence but i'm wondering if you're Jewish because to me saying that Israel is a big threat to the world isn't anti semitist and claiming that it is, is just a defence mechanism and doesnt differ a whole lot from an Asian getting pulled for speeding and claiming racism.

its not even about holy land though.
its about the right to live in the land.

very interesting point raised in lecture today about how descriptions as to how the conflict develops tends to reflect the writers own circumstances.

eg. American writers will often right about israel being a chosen people and clearing the land of the current people.... sound familiar to americas own ideology of manifest destiny and the near destruction of the native americans
european writers tend to present the monistic/state/empirical view of these structures in place and things being incorparated into it, oooh look, much like germany, UK, and other places that employ similar things themselves.

very interesting.... and also proves the futility of objectivity

but if there wasn't so many Jewish people in power and high up places then america wouldnt be obliged to fight and defend them i mean lets face it. if a big percentage of americas power and voter role wasn't due to the Jewish population of America then america and as a result britain and alot of other countries would have nothign to do with it.

Hence why its a big threat.

as i said israel itself isnt goign to blow up ther world anytime soon but the people the whole conflict involves and the reurcussions are massive and is why i'd say Israel was one of the biggest threats to the world as we speak.

I don't understand what you mean but it looks like I need to clarify a few points.
I'm not jewish. I'm atheist.
I'm not anti-semit, nore anti-christian, nore anti-muslim. Every one has the right to believe in whatever he wants, as long as they keep it to themselves and do not try to convert the entire world, or act paranoid.

Thinking no religion means no war is a little naïve I think. There are other reasons behind religion, like Oil and other interests. But I agree it would drastically reduce the possible sources of conflict and probably help us realise we're all in the same boat.

Ponrauil

of course man will fight wether there is religion or not but theres empirical proof that civilisations can go for thousands of years without wrs when they follow no religion.

and you've just agreed with my point about people being paranoid. Europe doesn't feel israel is a threat because the majority of the population is Jewish, it feels it is a threat because it actually is a threat and putting it down to anti semitism is a paranoid, bullshit, cop-out

I'd like to know the name of one civilisation that never had mythology?

That's my point from the start! when did I say the majority of europeans where Jewish?

Ponrauil