Disturbing poll

there are several ancient civilisations that have been discovered and have no proof or signs of religion ie carvings, holy images etc... and funnilly enough none of them show any signs of wars ie weapons being found etc...

not sayign it never happened obviously theres more to wars than religion as uve said such as land and resources but just the same as taking away resources means there sless incentive for goign to war, taking away religion lessens incentive too.

and i never said that u said the majority of europeans were Jewish., the point here is that the majority of europeans find israel a threat. it's easy enough for israeli's to jump on this and claim anti semitism (the guy in question actually started goign on about chapters in european history with anti semitism ie the nazi period) but it's alot easier to go to self defence mode and claim you're being attacked than actually looking at the reason behind peoples opinions and criticisms.

i'd like to know what europeans, israelis and Jews in general think about this poll.

I get your point but I think what you're mentionning is more isolated tribes than civilisation. The difference means a lot because we are now living in civilisation.
Civilisation is all the social, religious, intellectual, artistic, scientific and technical phenomenons and knowledge that belong to a people and that are passed through education. That's not my opinion, it's the word's definition in the dictionnary. Therefore all civilisations had their own religion and mythology.
It is true that some never had the idea of going to war in the name of their religion, the australian aborigens for example, who worship the earth and the sun. I don't know if any war was declared on Buddah's name... (Anyone?)
Religion itself is not a cause of war. It's what humans do with it that leads to horror. "You shall not kill" was there from the start of christianism for example, and it never stopped the crusades, colonisation or oil business.
If you are a peaceful person and read the three holy books, Bible, Coran, and Thora (french spelling ), you'll never find anything that could lead you to war. Another interpretation by an ambitious and bad person leads to integrism and violence.
For example, in the Coran it says every man can have as many wives as the prophet Mahomet (4) as long as he treats them in perfect equality. My interpretation of this would be that as it is impossible to treat 4 wives in perfect equality, you can only have one. Most muslims interpretation is ok with 4 wives. It's all in the interpretation.

Anyway, I'm just saying that it's Mankind that is responsible of it's own destiny, in all its good and bad sides. Mankind is that same boat we're all in. We all have the same origin. We're part of the same specie. And we've forgotten that.


Yes, that's what i meant in the very first post of this thread.


Well guess what, I'm european , and even if I wouldn't have put Israel in first place, it would have been in my top 5, without antisemitism what so ever. US and North Korea would share top spot. Terrorism has no country but it sure is a huge threat as well.

Ponrauil

I'd put the US on the top of the list for "country most threatening world peace". Just look at where we're going!
1.We're now making hostile movements towards Iran (we don't want anything to do with North Korea, since they already have nuclear weapons, we can only push around those countries that don't have them).
2.We've assembled a coalition of superpower countries that for the most part are simply willing to walk wherever we will lead them.
3.We ignore the will of the world when it comes to foreign policy.
4.Our foreign policy is almost completely dictated by a sense of American superiority and a burning need to possess as much oil as physically possible.
5.We've started somewhere around 20 wars since WW2, destabilized foreign countries for no other reason than their political climate, and supported barbaric revolutionaries simply because they opposed communism.
6.Inside our own country we're systematically losing our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms as Donald Rumsfeld seeks the power to read the tags on our underwear under the guise that it may prevent future terrorist attacks.

I'd put Israel on the list too. I think some times people are too afraid to oppose Israeli policy for fear of being labeled Nazis and antisemitic. I mean c'mon, they suffered through the holocaust, shouldn't we overlook how they're destabilizing the whole middle-east? That, to me, is the prevailing sentiment. I'm not a racist and I have nothing against Jewish people at all, I just think that if people truly looked at Israel's actions towards the Palestinians, outside of the context of "its their ancentral land" they'd be horrified at what they saw. Imagine what would happen if America started treating Mexico the way Israel treats Palestine (who occupied that land first). The other countries of the world would line up as our enemies so fast, yet for some reason the Israelis get to do it to the Palestinians.

Adrian

my sentiments exactly with regards to israel Adrian. They're not angels and the only reason they get away with so much is because alot of American Industry has a large Jewish population meaning if the US doesn't do what the majority of them want with regards to Israel then they can go and enjoy some nice time as the opposition next term.

Saying it's anti semitist is total bullshit as i've already said. you've put points across about america being a big threat. does that mean ur attacking christianity because americans mainly christian? no. if i say somethign about north korea is it because the people are korean? of course not.

racisms a nice wall to hide alot of people problems behidn and israel happens to be one of the biggest.