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Old 12-07-2003, 07:19 PM
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Chances are it wouldn't have been someone else...but if they had been perhaps 10 seconds earlier or later getting into the car then it wouldn't have happened.
but that is all in the mind surely, when someone blames themselve for something like that as in most cases then they always use the terms "if i had been there not him/her" ah my examples always sound stupid so i hope you get what i mean.
What I mean is, if someone who, for instance, got into their car and before they started driving they spent 30 seconds putting a CD on, they would then be 30 seconds later than if they hadn't put that cd on...so there could be something totally different happens to them, just from making such a small decision. They may get stopped at extra traffic lights due to that extra 30 seconds, so that would delay them even more, so then they crash....all because they spent 30 seconds putting on a cd.
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Chances are it wouldn't have been someone else...but if they had been perhaps 10 seconds earlier or later getting into the car then it wouldn't have happened.
but that is all in the mind surely, when someone blames themselve for something like that as in most cases then they always use the terms "if i had been there not him/her" ah my examples always sound stupid so i hope you get what i mean.
What I mean is, if someone who, for instance, got into their car and before they started driving they spent 30 seconds putting a CD on, they would then be 30 seconds later than if they hadn't put that cd on...so there could be something totally different happens to them, just from making such a small decision. They may get stopped at extra traffic lights due to that extra 30 seconds, so that would delay them even more, so then they crash....all because they spent 30 seconds putting on a cd.
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For example, if someone dies in a car crash I find myself thinking "if only he wouldn't have gotten in that car in the first place... but then again, probably it would've been something else then".
Chances are it wouldn't have been someone else...but if they had been perhaps 10 seconds earlier or later getting into the car then it wouldn't have happened.
No, I wasn't saying it would've been someone else... I was saying it would've been something else that'd killed him... I believe that you die when you're meant to, and it can sound kinda bad, but that's how I think it is... Like a book with lots of pages and chapters that are empty for you to write on yourself by the choices you make in life... But then when the book runs out it runs out, no matter what those choices you made were.

Yes, if he hadn't got in that car, or if he'd been there 10 seconds earlier or later... But if he hadn't died in a car crash, he'd died in a fire, cancer etc... but that he would've died that same time anyways.
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Old 12-07-2003, 07:25 PM
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Chances are it wouldn't have been someone else...but if they had been perhaps 10 seconds earlier or later getting into the car then it wouldn't have happened.
No, I wasn't saying it would've been someone else... I was saying it would've been something else that'd killed him... I believe that you die when you're meant to, and it can sound kinda bad, but that's how I think it is... Like a book with lots of pages and chapters that are empty for you to write on yourself by the choices you make in life... But then when the book runs out it runs out, no matter what those choices you made were.
Like Final Destination you mean?

I don't believe that, because then you aren't making your own choices, it is all predetermined, which is something I just can't believe.

If you take care of yourself through life, and are careful not to get yourself run over or anything like that, then you will live for a long time; not die at some time just because that's "your time".
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I think your basic path is mapped out, but I don't think everything is carved in stone. Otherwise why would we have free will? I think there are always options and chances to deviate from your chosen path, but if you choose correctly you will follow the path you were supposed to.

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we are control of our own lives. we get out what we put in. as for accidents happening, they're just accidental, hence the name. there is no way anything could be foreseen enough to stop it.
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yeah sure.....
i mean, I'm always very afraid to take important decisions because i might screw up my entire life....I'm still afraid!
Heh, me too kinda, but those decisions need to be made.

This is a very good question, which one can only give their opinion, and there is not a set answer.

For me, I believe that there are some things that you can do to make your destiny, and others that were just supposed to happen. Some things we have no control over, such as the people we fall in love with, but some things we can control, such as whether we want to tell them or not. I was once in this situation, where I really loved someone and didn't tell her. I found out later that she liked me too, and if I had had the balls to make the decision to tell her then it could have changed my life, and therefore my destiny.

Hmm, there is a great line out of a song by Paul Simon which goes:

"You think you're gliding down the highway, when in fact you're slip slidin' away."

The message in this song is simply, that most people tend to be "slip slidin' away" through life rather than doing something about it. I love that song, it's one of my favourates.
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not believing in God in a religious way makes the idea of our lives being predetermined pretty daft to me.

fair enough if i put a cd on in my car then crash cos i was 30 seconds later then its a result of me putting on the cd. it's obvious they are linked but thats just by chance.

i met my girlfriend in school, i remember the 1st day i ever seen her and over the years became best friends with her and now we're going out. u could trace this all the way back to me being born here, her being born here too, us being the same age. going to the same school etc... u could go even further back and look at our parents doing the nasty at similar times so we were born then of course they had to be born roughly at the same time etc... theres so many variables that its pretty impossible to show how our lives can be predestined. fact of the matter is i chose to get talkign to her and we chose to start going out its not some masterplan its just what happens.

just now ive made my decisions about life but nothing at all is stopping me from running away tonight and never looking back, is that whats predetermined? i refuse to believe that. we have our own choices, they have consequences, dont fool yourself into believing we have no free will or choice in what we do.

must dash now got a plane to australia to catch tonight
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I think free will and determinism can be reconciled. Because I believe in free will, then yes I do think that the choices you make affect your destiny. Sometimes what seems to be the smallest thing can have a huge impact too.

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I don't believe in fate or destiny at all.. I don't believe in people having a purpose in life (I believe they can find a purpose for themselves...but I don't believe that it's already planned out for you..) I don't think that there is a reason for everything..


Decisions obviously take charge against the future...but that has nothing to do with fate or destiny. If I drive too fast, I might get into a fatal accident..but if I don't get in the car tomorrow, I may not get to see the Christmas parade..

My dad died in a car accident in September.. but do I think God 'took' him from this Earth? Of course not. Do I think it was "meant to be" ..and that it was "his time to go" ..? No. I think that he was just being a moron..and he fell asleep at the wheel. He could have easily decided not to drive that night.

I believe that if we are able to choose, then there is no fate.. If we always have a choice, then not everything has to 'make sense'..

I don't see the world in red, green, and blue......but in neutral..
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