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Old 03-09-2005, 10:48 PM
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I think perhaps guidance in the form of religion and such, which people are slowly starting to loose interest/faith in now. That is obviously the oldest form of control, even at one point setting some rules (ten commandments), plus the whole follow us or burn in hell thing they use to make people scared and thus follow them.
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I dont either but i do beleive that ur life is already been plan and if something meant to happen, no one can stop or change it IMO.
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I dont either but i do beleive that ur life is already been plan and if something meant to happen, no one can stop or change it IMO.
So everything you do, you do it because someone planned it long ago? You don't make your own decisions, but live a life dictated to you by someone else?
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I dont either but i do beleive that ur life is already been plan and if something meant to happen, no one can stop or change it IMO.
So everything you do, you do it because someone planned it long ago? You don't make your own decisions, but live a life dictated to you by someone else?
yeah if you look at it this way. say everythign is mapped out. you could lie in your bed doing nothing but sleeping and farting and your life would turn out the exact same as if you done something worthwhile?

or that you're predistined to stay in bed so it's ok?

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I dont either but i do beleive that ur life is already been plan and if something meant to happen, no one can stop or change it IMO.
So everything you do, you do it because someone planned it long ago? You don't make your own decisions, but live a life dictated to you by someone else?
yeah if you look at it this way. say everythign is mapped out. you could lie in your bed doing nothing but sleeping and farting and your life would turn out the exact same as if you done something worthwhile?

or that you're predistined to stay in bed so it's ok?

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You didnt understand. Its already planned but you don't know what gonna happen.... You will do what meant u to do and everything u do is meant to happen...
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It doesn't matter if you know or not, if you are going to do things as planned then it is not what you want to do, but what someone else wants you to do. They have set a path and you follow it, regardless of wether or not you can see it, so every turn you make is planned, and not because you want to do it.
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It doesn't matter if you know or not, if you are going to do things as planned then it is not what you want to do, but what someone else wants you to do. They have set a path and you follow it, regardless of wether or not you can see it, so every turn you make is planned, and not because you want to do it.
Its not someone... Its GOD way.....
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Whoever it is is immaterial, personally I believe in neither god nor fate, I do what I want to, I do not live my life by some plan conjured up by someone else.

Just think about it logically though, there are more than 6,000,000,000 (that is six billion) people on this planet right now, not to mention the billions who have lived before and the billions who will live in the future. If the avergae person lives 80 years that is a hell of a lot to plan. How long would it take to do that do you think?
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Whoever it is is immaterial, personally I believe in neither god nor fate, I do what I want to, I do not live my life by some plan conjured up by someone else.

Just think about it logically though, there are more than 6,000,000,000 (that is six billion) people on this planet right now, not to mention the billions who have lived before and the billions who will live in the future. If the avergae person lives 80 years that is a hell of a lot to plan. How long would it take to do that do you think?
You will understand at some point, that whatever u make plan and how desprate u want something and work for it, if its not meant to happen for u , it will never happen... It doest mean u dont have to try, u need to keep on trying coz that all we can do , but at the end its ur fate that take ur destiny. Well that what i beleive and i do had similar experience, so i can say for that.. And how hard i may feeling at a moment, but i know its part of my fate and i have to go though it....hopefuly better days come too..
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You will understand at some point, that whatever u make plan and how desprate u want something and work for it, if its not meant to happen for u , it will never happen
That just sounds like quite a pessimistic attitude to me. I worked hard to get into University to study Architecture last year. I worked ahrd all the time, but I didn't enjoy it enough to pursue it as a life goal. I changed my course this year, so now I'm on a completely different "path" than last year. Your logic would say I was never meant to be an Architect hence I changed course, but I could decide tomorrow to drop out and just get a job, it is MY CHOICE, not some almightly dictator pushing me into it. I could go and jump off a bridge, I could do anything I want to do.
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