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Old 03-10-2005, 08:57 AM
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I've missed a part of this discussion now but if I can just take it back a second, it seems that you believe that if you fail it's because you where meant to, fate as it where, but if you succeed despite everything it is your own achievement? That's just as bad as when people go to "confession" and are forgiven for doing bad things because they where somehow tempted by evil. It takes the pressure away, if you believe that it wasn't your fault you won't bother when it happens again.[/quoe]


I believe that anything is possible. If you want something and you really want it, you will try and no matter how many times you fail you will keep trying because you want it. If you fail at something it doesn't mean you can never succeed at it, you just have to want it enough.

Of course there are people with born talent, but it is possible for people to develop and learn skills if they want to.
Everything is ur fate, even working hard for something and achiving it or failing in it. Just remember u can't control ur fate or know ur fate, so u have to do what u have to do, but despite ur best shot something u can never successed or may be at that time its not meant to happen and may u successed in next time thast ur fate too..

For a example, Do u think Arnold (movie actor) who was in gym working out when he was young working hard to achive his dream as body builder, ever thought that he once will be a governor some state in USA or was that he was planning from the childhood?? Dont think so, he probbaly never thought he gonna be so big movie star. So its all his fate, his lucky, his chance comes along and he took it make best use of it.... but there are people who work as much hard as him but never quite make it like him.. And tomorrow if his fate will be becoming next president, no one else can stop it..

And same way Mrs Sonia Gandhi, who was Italian born , lived there and she never in her dream thought she will be the president of the congress party in India oneday and will be the most powerful person in indian politics one day and even despite the everyone want her to be next Prime ministry, she just walk away from it... She even refuse to join politics after death of Rajivi Gandhi. So was it she something work it for??. No this what she meant to happen to her and now she is most respectable person in India and why ? just cause when she had a chance to take the crown of india, she decide there are someone better for that job and its not her job... And this would never would have happen if Rajivi Gandhi would have been alive or not assiniated... So its her fate.

In everyone life there is some turning point and lot of us wonder if that incident not happend what would our life will be.. and due to that incidence u may endup coming somewhere which u never dream of it before.... And u may start some relationship which may take u too totally differnt place...

Like when Tsunami stuck, how many people killed, how many people life changed completely... How many survived despite all the odds... So does tha mean everyone died coz they didnt fight the Tsunami and didnt try not hard??.

So all though nobody knows what gonna happen in our life but its already been written, we just following it....
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Old 03-10-2005, 09:05 AM
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For a example, Do u think Arnold (movie actor) who was in gym working out when he was young working hard to achive his dream as body builder, ever thought that he once will be a governor some state in USA or was that he was planning from the childhood??
he certainly didn't think this would happen, but again so is life. You never know where you'll find yourself. It's life --- NOT fate. NOT god.

He worked bloody hard to be where he is now, married the right women, kissed plenty of asses. He did what he had to do - not because it was his destiny.


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And tomorrow if his fate will be becoming next president, no one else can stop it..
so really what you are saying is that people don't even need to go and vote as the person that is destined to become president, somehow will anyway....

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And same way Mrs Sonia Gandhi, who was Italian born , lived there and she never in her dream thought she will be the president of the congress party in India oneday and will be the most powerful person in indian politics one day and even despite the everyone want her to be next Prime ministry, she just walk away from it... She even refuse to join politics after death of Rajivi Gandhi. So was it she something work it for??. No this what she meant to happen to her and now she is most respectable person in India and why ? just cause when she had a chance to take the crown of india, she decide there are someone better for that job and its not her job... And this would never would have happen if Rajivi Gandhi would have been alive or not assiniated... So its her fate.
this makes no sense at all, sorry Allwyn, it just makes no sense.


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Old 03-10-2005, 09:08 AM
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I do believe though that some people sooo desperately want to believe in fate because they just can't digest/handle/come to grips with reality. Reality being that you have to be at the right place at the right time and you have to work bloody hard to achieve things.

Something most people just aren't willing to accept.

Same goes for religion. People can't handle reality and seek refuge in an almighty god that somehow has them set up for an unfullfilling life. As a comfort, there is always heaven to go to.
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I do believe though that some people sooo desperately want to believe in fate because they just can't digest/handle/come to grips with reality. Reality being that you have to be at the right place at the right time and you have to work bloody hard to achieve things.

Something most people just aren't willing to accept.

Same goes for religion. People can't handle reality and seek refuge in an almighty god that somehow has them set up for an unfullfilling life. As a comfort, there is always heaven to go to.
I totally second this. Religion and fate seem such self-centered concepts.
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I do believe though that some people sooo desperately want to believe in fate because they just can't digest/handle/come to grips with reality. Reality being that you have to be at the right place at the right time and you have to work bloody hard to achieve things.

Something most people just aren't willing to accept.

Same goes for religion. People can't handle reality and seek refuge in an almighty god that somehow has them set up for an unfullfilling life. As a comfort, there is always heaven to go to.
And how and why u beleive in God? at least i know u beleive in God though....

u Being think as ur always right also ur fate :P

Well i dont have anything extra to add, u beleive it or not... IMO something in life u just cant control and its all meant to happen for u....

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he certainly didn't think this would happen, but again so is life. You never know where you'll find yourself. It's life --- NOT fate. NOT god.
Yes thats is what i call fate, u never know where u find urself and what situation make u to do... I know i can give some example but not here..
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I do believe though that some people sooo desperately want to believe in fate because they just can't digest/handle/come to grips with reality. Reality being that you have to be at the right place at the right time and you have to work bloody hard to achieve things.

Something most people just aren't willing to accept.

Same goes for religion. People can't handle reality and seek refuge in an almighty god that somehow has them set up for an unfullfilling life. As a comfort, there is always heaven to go to.
And how and why u beleive in God? at least i know u beleive in God though....
My belief in god is very different from the rather common/traditional belief. To me there is evidence in god in everything beautiful - I do believe someone created all this (but not in the 7 day sense of creation) --- nature itself, to me is god. It's awesome - the effect it has on people - if they let it -- is incredible.

But I don't believe that god has set a plan for us -- yes different people have different gifts, but that is random luck of the draw. I don't believe god bothers too much with the individuals themselves. We are just way too insignificant way too much of jerks to be bothered with

I also reject most of the old testament description of god. I don't think god is petty and vain as the bible might have him. I don't believe the christian god is THE god.

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u Being think as ur always right also ur fate :P
at least I don't need to feel bad about it then . And I certainly don't need to worry about hurting anybody's feelings anymore with my righteousness, as this is how god wanted me to be - a bitch - yeah me!!! How lucky am I??? LOL.
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My belief in god is very different from the rather common/traditional belief. To me there is evidence in god in everything beautiful - I do believe someone created all this (but not in the 7 day sense of creation) --- nature itself, to me is god. It's awesome - the effect it has on people - if they let it -- is incredible.

But I don't believe that god has set a plan for us -- yes different people have different gifts, but that is random luck of the draw. I don't believe god bothers too much with the individuals themselves. We are just way too insignificant way too much of jerks to be bothered with

I also reject most of the old testament description of god. I don't think god is petty and vain as the bible might have him. I don't believe the christian god is THE god.
I still think its all fated and God is bother with each and everyone of us and set a plan for them.
But i do beleive nature is nothing but God though



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at least I don't need to feel bad about it then . And I certainly don't need to worry about hurting anybody's feelings anymore with my righteousness, as this is how god wanted me to be - a ***** - yeah me!!! How lucky am I??? LOL.
Why u need to feel bad anyway?. Especially whey u know ur always right?? Is it coz other person just too dumb to understand and u feel bad for that person?
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I have always been able to predict when someone is going to die either a day or two before ,it just comes to me .also i'm good at predicting when a woman is going to give birth. so far ive been 100% correct also so far ive always known what sex the baby is aswell i can just see things like this .its abit upseting when i see when they are going to die though . it first happened when i was a kid , i loved fish especaialy koi and had a realy nice coloured fish that was my favourite out of the lots then one day i was feeding it and it just came to me that the next day it would be dead and i had an image of it floating and sure enough the next morning it was dead .
My cousin has had 4 kids and everytime i've known that she was going to give birth the next day but months before that i have been able to tell her what sex her babies are going to be ,so she could always plan what to buy .
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But Russ, were those deaths unexpected? I mean, if your fish was really old, it's death may be expected. Same may be the thing for the other deaths.

I also think this is quite the same when you predict the birth of a child: most women give birth after 9 months, so you really have a clue when the baby might be due to begin with. And predicting the sexe of an unborn baby is a 50% chance. I really don't see that as predicting, more as a lucky guess. No offence.
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When i was really young there was a girl who lived in the same apartment building as me but i don't know her well. Someone asked me oneday if i've seen her anywhere and i replied, 'she died', but i didin't know why i said it, it just came out really quickly. Later that day i found out that she did die, in an unsucessful operation earlier in the day (but i don't know whether it happened before or after i said it). It freaked me out, i hope the incident was a pure coincidence.

I believe in predicting the future, like in cases of people seeing in their dreams what will happening in the future. Before the titanic sank a few people reported to have dreamt of it sinking.
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