Do you beleive God has created the world...........?

Jim Bon Jovi · #**101** 03-02-2004, 01:33 AM

Something like that dave.

can't remember exactly cos it was ages ago and my memory ain't what it used to be but i think the quote is "a being which none greater can be concieved" aka the perfect being which must be God.

It didn't actually do much to support the statement ie just because they say there's a perfect being what the **** is that supposed to prove? doesn't mean it exists.

funnilly enough this is the theory for "proving Gods existance" that most chuches espescially the Catholic one go along with.

The idea isn't too far derived from Plato's theory of the perfect whatever you want if you're familiar with that

joviscout · #**102** 03-02-2004, 01:36 AM

The most popular bible is the king james version which was published in 1611. SO its not been updated much at all. As far as im aware that was just a translation into brittish not sure if any of it was changed tho.

Jag · #**103** 03-02-2004, 01:38 AM

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religion is just a thread passed on thru generations, and like all threads, they wear and tear, and be adjusted and repatched....

So are you admitting that religion as we understand it today is, at least in part, fictional, as it has been adjusted by generations of different people? Or that the people who adjusted it had some knowledge which allowed them to correctly adjust it, and so it still holds true?

the latter...but take away 'correctly', cos nothing is correct and nothimg is wrong in this matter i feel.

Davesta · #**104** 03-02-2004, 01:42 AM

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Something like that dave.

can't remember exactly cos it was ages ago and my memory ain't what it used to be but i think the quote is "a being which none greater can be concieved" aka the perfect being which must be God.

It didn't actually do much to support the statement ie just because they say there's a perfect being what the **** is that supposed to prove? doesn't mean it exists.

funnilly enough this is the theory for "proving Gods existance" that most chuches espescially the Catholic one go along with.

The idea isn't too far derived from Plato's theory of the perfect whatever you want if you're familiar with that

I'm not familiar with Plato I'm afraid. I've got a copy of the Republic, but I decided to read Descartes first.

As for the God argument. The idea is that if you conceive of a being of which none greater can be conceived, then this being must actually exist as a property of being the greatest being is that it must necessarily exist! It is a perfectly logical argument, but whether or not I believe that such a being exists is another thing altogether, and ultimately it all comes down to faith again!! It's certainly a clever argument though, and I'm sure it's fooled a lot of people!!

Jim Bon Jovi · #**105** 03-02-2004, 01:45 AM

yeah it;s a decent enough argument but just because the perfect being would actually have the property of existing, doesn't make it a fact.

Davesta · #**106** 03-02-2004, 01:47 AM

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yeah it;s a decent enough argument but just because the perfect being would actually have the property of existing, doesn't make it a fact.

Exactly! But I love saying it to really unreligious people and confusing the hell out of them

Jag · #**107** 03-02-2004, 01:48 AM

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yeah it;s a decent enough argument but just because the perfect being would actually have the property of existing, doesn't make it a fact.

wots the perfect being? to some it maybe an old white man, with a big beard to symbolise his wisdom. to others it could be a glowling light of immense unsurpassbale entity?

Davesta · #**108** 03-02-2004, 01:50 AM

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yeah it;s a decent enough argument but just because the perfect being would actually have the property of existing, doesn't make it a fact.

wots the perfect being? to some it maybe an old white man, with a big beard to symbolise his wisdom. to others it could be a glowling light of immense unsurpassbale entity?

Well the point of the argument is that the perfect being is one of whom none greater can be conceived. The specifics of what he looks like, or who he is isn't important in this case.

Jag · #**109** 03-02-2004, 01:52 AM

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yeah it;s a decent enough argument but just because the perfect being would actually have the property of existing, doesn't make it a fact.

wots the perfect being? to some it maybe an old white man, with a big beard to symbolise his wisdom. to others it could be a glowling light of immense unsurpassbale entity?

Well the point of the argument is that the perfect being is one of whom none greater can be conceived. The specifics of what he looks like, or who he is isn't important in this case.

and why would the perfect being be a 'he' hm??

just being picky

Davesta · #**110** 03-02-2004, 01:54 AM

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yeah it;s a decent enough argument but just because the perfect being would actually have the property of existing, doesn't make it a fact.

wots the perfect being? to some it maybe an old white man, with a big beard to symbolise his wisdom. to others it could be a glowling light of immense unsurpassbale entity?

Well the point of the argument is that the perfect being is one of whom none greater can be conceived. The specifics of what he looks like, or who he is isn't important in this case.

and why would the perfect being be a 'he' hm??

just being picky

Grrrr

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