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God is hope, faith, belief.....

God is whatever you want it to be. If you believe God is responsible for all of this then fair enough. if you believe God is just a little bit of faith you can draw upon when needed then again fair enough.

But my biggest problem with the theory is that God is immaterial etc... and we have no real way of ever proving Gods existence as we are physical beings but i still don;t see how an immaterial being could create a physical world. i mean would it not have made sense to make us all immaterial....?

I covered alot about this in my old philosophy class and there are several reasonable idea's behind creation and the one that I dig the most is the theory of causality.

Everything has a cause and effect. me typing puts letters on the screen, me moving my fingers touches the keys etc..... this is one massive chain of causes that can lead right back to the beginning and many people will say well God must be the 1st cause but with stuff like this, the idea that it's actually an infinite loop or mobius strip instead of one long line of causes would mean there's not beginning and no real end.

a bit hard to stomach if you're not read up on it but when you consider how much we dont know about physics i reckon it;s totally possible.
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God is hope, faith, belief.....

God is whatever you want it to be. If you believe God is responsible for all of this then fair enough. if you believe God is just a little bit of faith you can draw upon when needed then again fair enough.

But my biggest problem with the theory is that God is immaterial etc... and we have no real way of ever proving Gods existence as we are physical beings but i still don;t see how an immaterial being could create a physical world. i mean would it not have made sense to make us all immaterial....?

I covered alot about this in my old philosophy class and there are several reasonable idea's behind creation and the one that I dig the most is the theory of causality.

Everything has a cause and effect. me typing puts letters on the screen, me moving my fingers touches the keys etc..... this is one massive chain of causes that can lead right back to the beginning and many people will say well God must be the 1st cause but with stuff like this, the idea that it's actually an infinite loop or mobius strip instead of one long line of causes would mean there's not beginning and no real end.

a bit hard to stomach if you're not read up on it but when you consider how much we dont know about physics i reckon it;s totally possible.
wot if someone has spoken to the creator, would that be proof to u?
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I strongly beleive that Bible is a fact in which our life has been build. I don't remember exactly what theory of evolution say, but i think there is lot of question it doesn't answers.
Not a lot but there are questions it can't answer, yet. But men are trying to find out about them cause that's human nature. I don't like to be told 'God's ways are unsearchable" or whatever that is in English, whenever there's a question too much, and that happens when you stop believing and start asking.

Evolution theory (and it IS a theory, the generally accepted theory that's supported by most facts, and therefore maybe supposed to be fact) is pretty much a causality theory as well.
And it's what I believe in.
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I'm with RichieW2001. It's simply evolution. Beside that evolution is not a theory but a fact.
Umm so how do you explain this -
Every hour the sun shrinks about five feet or about 1/10 % per century.
At this rate, just 100,000 years ago it would have been double its
present size. Twenty million years ago it would have been touching the
earth. Assuming this rate of shrinkage, life on the earth would have
been impossible just one million years ago, due to heat and radiation
from a large sun.

Since it was first measured in 1835, the earth's magnetic field has been
steadily decaying. Based on this rate of decay, the magnetic field would
have been the same as that of a magnetic star 10,000 years ago. Life
would not have been possible in such an environment, thus life on earth
more than 10,000 years ago would not have been possible.

The moon and earth steadily gather cosmic dust. During Apollo missions,
NASA scientists expected to find a 54 foot layer of dust on the moon
because of its 4.5 to 5 billion year estimated age. They actually found
1/8 inch to 3 inches of dust, which would take less than 8,000 years to
accumulate.

Your evolution theory is just as unbelivable as the bible lol. The big bang? COME ON lame lol matter and anti matter mixed creating all this i donty think so somehow. Hell even darwin didnt belive the theory of evolution!

DARWIN: EYE FORMED BY NATURAL SELECTION "ABSURD IN THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE
DEGREE"
Darwin also admitted drawbacks of the evolution theory in trying to
explain complex organs, such as the eye. "To suppose that the eye, with
all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different
distances, for admitting different amounts of light...could have been
formed by natural selection seems, I freely confess, absurd in the
highest possible degree...The belief that an organ as perfect as the eye
could have formed by natural selection is more than enough to stagger
anyone."
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I'm with RichieW2001. It's simply evolution. Beside that evolution is not a theory but a fact.
Umm so how do you explain this -
Every hour the sun shrinks about five feet or about 1/10 % per century.
That is bullsh1t that is used by religious websites when they went to actually *use* science to disprove it.
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If evolution were true, then the world should be evolving into something better, but it is not. The earth is actually degrading, and it is not because of humans. Everything naturally decays, including the earth and everything in it. Natural selection and evolution can't also create anything new because almost all mutations from one thing to another is harmful and it wouldn't become a better living or non-living thing. Life cannot be created from a non-living thing. The oldest fossils that has ever been found shows fully formed plant and animals which are very complex and there has never been a trace of any ancestors from newer to older fossils. The universe, earth and everything in it had to have a first cause, a creator. Everything is highly complex and has a fuction and its own purpose. This complexity cannot happen by chance or randomness. Everything on earth is in a delicate balance, and if it even sways a little, it can cause great harm to everything in our ecosystem. The "design" and purpose of the universe and everything in it requires intelligence. Evolution is not pure fact, only a theory and probably always will be. There are too many flaws and not enough fact to prove evolution. Science doesn't really prove evolution, but actually finds faults. Science and history go hand in hand to verify creationism. I can go on forever on this issue because I feel so strongly about it, but it is late and I'll leave it at this for now
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If evolution were true, then the world should be evolving into something better, but it is not. The earth is actually degrading, and it is not because of humans. Everything naturally decays, including the earth and everything in it. Natural selection and evolution can't also create anything new because almost all mutations from one thing to another is harmful and it wouldn't become a better living or non-living thing. Life cannot be created from a non-living thing. The oldest fossils that has ever been found shows fully formed plant and animals which are very complex and there has never been a trace of any ancestors from newer to older fossils. The universe, earth and everything in it had to have a first cause, a creator. Everything is highly complex and has a fuction and its own purpose. This complexity cannot happen by chance or randomness. Everything on earth is in a delicate balance, and if it even sways a little, it can cause great harm to everything in our ecosystem. The "design" and purpose of the universe and everything in it requires intelligence. Evolution is not pure fact, only a theory and probably always will be. There are too many flaws and not enough fact to prove evolution. Science doesn't really prove evolution, but actually finds faults. Science and history go hand in hand to verify creationism. I can go on forever on this issue because I feel so strongly about it, but it is late and I'll leave it at this for now
The existence of evolution is FACT. How evolution happens is THEORY.
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I do believe in God but I don't think the Bible is to be literally read. I don't think there was an Adam and an Eve and an Eden...
Exactly the same here! I believe in God, but as a powerful force as jade said. For me I see it as something to hold on to when you lose your hope or strenght, or you're just feeling down... But I really don't know what to think about the creation of everything... It's just that nothing makes much sense... if it was God, then who created God? If it was just a big bang... i think it would destroy and not create lol i don't know...
I feel the same way. I don't read the Bible literally so I don't think that God created the world in 7 days. How can we really know how long a day was anyway? I believe in the Big Bang Theory instead.

But as for who created God, I think it was St.Augustine who said that God was the first link in a chain. God was always there and everything goes back to God in the end. I can't remember exactly how it was worded.

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