Drug tests at school...

Some do some dont. i realise some teachers ae cool. We have afew great teachers in my school and my form tutor did help my half bro overcome his drug problem. But these tests are just lame.Loads of people must be taking drugs in my school. Its wot people my age do sadly.. and wot they gonna do?? Chuck all those people out of the school? They dont have the money. Help them? They dont have the time. Its a controll thing.

What about the other moms that don't have a clue? That's between the kid and the parent, not the kid and the state. If you, as an individual person want to give whatever support you can, great. Do not do it on school time, with school funds, or in any way involve the school system, as that's federal time, federal money, and is totally unsanctioned by the overriding (er...it should be overriding) rule of law in the land.

My alternatives are A. Leave the feds out of it entirely, and B. See A. Why does the federal government need to get involved at all? If the country was run in any semblence of its original framework, the local level would be very involved. Not the "it takes a village to raise a child" crap, but people (parents and kids) would have a place to turn (charities, churches, etc) and the feds will just butt out all together.

That parents being held accountable for their children's actions quote is downright scary. Given the self-evident fact that government powers expand, what is considered perfectly reasonable today, will at some point be expanded to include something that's not reasonable.

You're right the situation is getting worse, and I've got several theories on how to fix it. The most moderate of my theories would be to let the private sector handle it. Let the parents and kids vote on whether or not they want drug testing (and let both sides present their facts, no suppression of information). And let them vote on how best to procede? Do they want to hire a group to do drug testing? Which group? How much do they want to pay? Do they want drug testing at all? What policies should they set for violators? That's a starting point. That's real freedom.

Adrian

My question remains the same. If we don't help these kids, who will?? If the parent isn't willing, the kid should just suffer and schools should turn a blind eye to it?

Again this sounds good, but do people really do this in "real life." Not many do, obviously.

Scary, yes. But why should parents get away with bringing a life into the world and not take any responsibility in raising this life? Why is it so easy for a "parent" to walk away and leave a kid to fend for themselves??

Yipee, useless drug tests... That's always fun. And i'm still in school, too. No one ever listens to them anyway.

Adrian, I never said in what way they should be held accountable, so you shouldn't be scared.

Teachers are 'acting parents' when kids are at school! They are the authoritarian figures, they are the punishment distributors and they ar the ones held responsible for the kids when they are on school property. They play as important a role in child-development as parents so why shouldn't they intervene when things go astray. In many cases, drugged up students is a direct consequence of disruptive homes or even drug-addict parents as well. If their 'real' parents can't help them, what chance do they have if teachers can't provide some form of parenting in their place.

Bad parenting is the reason the world is getting more and more f**ked up by the day! Something needs to be done soon and in my opinion this is the first step. It may not be the best step (whose to judge what is?) but it's better than just sitting on your arses and just bitching about the problem without any hope of progress being made!

what next, they'll stop searching kids in america for guns cos it's a violation?

If you're in school, you folow their rules and if you're takign drugs or are under the influence of them during school then they can handle you as appropriate.

Did i do drugs when i was in school? no so if i get asked to take a test do i have anythign to worry about? nope, now if i thought about doing drugs, I would have somethign to worry about and it might just might deter me from doing it.


I kinda get the impression that the people here saying it shouldn't happen haven't grew up or been exposed to alot of drug use and it's effects.

Harsh as it sounds, yes. The school is there to educate, not play parent to every child that walks in the doors. If you want to help them as a person, not a teacher, more power to you. Work with charities, do the Boys And Girls club thing, whatever you want. But to turn the public schools into surragate (misspelled?) parents for every one of its patrons is just begging for abuse. Private action is ALWAYS the way to go.

Not many do, but if the feds got out of the job of playing nursemaid to the population of the United States, more people would. With 40-60% of their incomes back, who wouldn't give more to charity?

The alternative is far worse. I can think of few worse tyrannies than the feds forcing parents to "parent" at gunpoint (police action, excuse me). I would rather give people the freedom to make the wrong choice than take all freedom away in an attempt to force people to make the right choice.

Adrian

Teachers take out freedom and rights away...