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Old 03-15-2004, 05:52 PM
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Maybe it is time again th eworld turns to the left instead of right????
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An article here in Spain:

The Spanish society is free of choosing the government that considers more opportune, but for that reason they don't stop to be responsible for its acts. The punishment inflicted to the Popular Party and the victory of the socialist is an unquestionable success of the terrorist tactics. We have sent a clear message as much to ETA as Al-Qaeda: the terrorism works. The fear blinds and the citizens look for an emergency exit although it only exists in its imagination. ETA has checked that its regional pact in Catalonia has completed its objectives. The islamistas have been able to verify that the Spaniards are willing to bend to part of their demands with such of avoiding future blows. Unwittingly, the Spanish citizens have given in these elections an important back to the strategies of the terror.
I think this is wrong. The terrorists do not care which political side runs the country. Do you think the UK would be safer if Blair was voted out today? Would the US be safer if Bush resigned tomorrow? No. Because from the islamist extremist point of view, democrats and republicans are the same, tories and labour are the same.
The islamists' goal is to divide nations and people on the terrorist matter, and in that, when you look at the millions of people in the streets on friday night in Madrid and other cities in Spain, they failed. They'll succeed if people start believing such articles and that this is a two way issue, which is not.
This article suggests that the Aznar/Bush/Blair strategy is the only way to fight terror, that going against them is almost like being pro-terrorists, and that the opposite sides won't/can't do anything of their own against terrorists. How stupid is that? After such events the new governments, whatever their side, will have to be at least as severe on terrorism as their predecessors, and maybe more efficient.
So no, IMO, the terrorists have not won anything yet, they just proved that Aznar/Bush/Blair haven't won anything against them either, and that nothing that they have done in the past two and a half years has been efficient, not even a 500 billion dollar war, as a lot of the people in Spain, the UK, and many other countries had predicted from day one.
The Spanish people did just what they had to do, and that is use their democratic voting power to vote out a government that led them on a dangerous path a very large majority of them did not want to follow.

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Its a shame the proud people of Spain are now bowing to terrorism and running scared.
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I expect you mean that it's a shame the attacks influenced the votes. Is that what you mean? If so, I agree.

The Popular Party candidate was the winner according to most polls before the attacks and then lost. I find it weird. But it also may be due to the attacks bringing to people's minds the opposition to the Iraq war and how the government turned a blind eye on its people's demands.

If we're letting the terrorists dictate who we should vote for then I agree it's a sad, incoherent situation.
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Let's not forget that polls are never to be taken seriously, and if I may, especially in Spain if you take a look at polls before past elections.

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Let's not forget that polls are never to be taken seriously, and if I may, especially in Spain if you take a look at polls before past elections.

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Yes, you're right, but usually they tend to point in the right direction. Also I forgot to mention that many people think the government didn't act as they should have when treatin the available data on the attacks and many people were mad at this and showed it through their vote.
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Here in Spain I don't know why but my opinion is that my country again has done it the wrong way. Again divided... I don't know what does it look like from abroad but I believe not very well done. I fear people is blaming Aznar and PP for the attacks on thursday. That's very sad. I'm not a fanatic of PP, not even of Aznar but the other option maybe means a weaker country against terrorism, not just islamic one but also ETA. I want to give PSOE sometime to see how they act, and I hope they know why have they won the elections...

I don't want more victims, but I don't know if changing votes is the way to make it happen... At this moment please let me doubt about it.
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Old 03-16-2004, 06:42 AM
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I think this is wrong. The terrorists do not care which political side runs the country. Do you think the UK would be safer if Blair was voted out today? Would the US be safer if Bush resigned tomorrow? No. Because from the islamist extremist point of view, democrats and republicans are the same, tories and labour are the same.
You answered your own question. No, they don't care which one runs the country, but to see the results of the attacks has only helped their cause. The Spanish people think that voting in the other party will make them safer, which it most definitely will NOT.

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The islamists' goal is to divide nations and people on the terrorist matter, and in that, when you look at the millions of people in the streets on friday night in Madrid and other cities in Spain, they failed. They'll succeed if people start believing such articles and that this is a two way issue, which is not.
They achieved their goal; which was to cause panic and unrest. Millions of people in the streets is not a victory for Spain against terrorism.

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This article suggests that the Aznar/Bush/Blair strategy is the only way to fight terror, that going against them is almost like being pro-terrorists, and that the opposite sides won't/can't do anything of their own against terrorists.
It doesn't suggest anything of the sort. It does suggest that the people of Spain have given in to terrorism out of fear. Of course anyone can do their own thing against terrorism...but will they? It's been avoided for a long time now, and people are believing that by voting for the socialists it can be avoided again.

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After such events the new governments, whatever their side, will have to be at least as severe on terrorism as their predecessors, and maybe more efficient.
Terrorism can't be won individually. The terrorist groups are too far reaching. Too bad people don't understand that.

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its sad, but completely agreed
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Read this:

www.cnn.com

Bombs 'to split Spain from allies'



A document published months before national elections reveals al Qaeda planned to separate Spain from its allies by carrying out terror attacks

A December posting on a Internet message board used by al Qaeda and its sympathizers and obtained by CNN, spells out a plan to topple the pro-U.S. government.

"We think the Spanish government will not stand more than two blows, or three at the most, before it will be forced to withdraw because of the public pressure on it," the al Qaeda document says.

"If its forces remain after these blows, the victory of the Socialist Party will be almost guaranteed -- and the withdrawal of Spanish forces will be on its campaign manifesto."

That prediction came to fruition in elections Sunday, with the Socialists unseating the Popular Party three days after near-simultaneous bombings of four trains killed 200 and shocked the nation.


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