Estimated 655,000 Iraqi deaths due to invasion

But if I'd ask in various places then I'll start getting a more realistic picture.
Read again and you'll see this method was carried out in Kosovo and Sudan with a 92% accuracy.

Ponrauil

So we should just let certain parts of the world rot or continue to rot? The US taxpayer gives money to many different causes aside from Iraq (see: AIDS, other countries, etc etc etc) We should just sit back and let dictator's kill there own people (see former Iraq) or develop nuclear weapons instead of feeding it's people (see NK)? Any occupier is fought against in some way, during every takeover in history. It's only gone on this long because of foreign fighters and the recruitment of terrorists.

darfur, zimbabwe, indonesia etc... all have bigger internal problems just now than iraq did and nothing was done.

nothing has been done to stop north kora gaining the bomb (not that it necesarilly should be) despite now it technically being able to hit the western seaboard yet they invaded iraq which even if it did have nukes, couldn't deliver them to the US...

Do you actually believe the reason the US went in there was because of an evil dictator?
Do you really think that is how western countries go on their foreign policies and military strategies?

The truth is if the US had done their homework on the three different communities in Iraq (Sunni, Shiite and Wahabi), their ideology, religion, history and culture then they would have had a plan to make them work together and hit where needed, they would have prepared the population.
But the way it's being done the US are fueling the hatred among these communities, towards the US and the support to the terrorists.

Ponrauil

Yeah, but I don't think those countries have (had) WMD's, or what have you.

I really don't know what we should do with NK. It's obvious we can talk and talk but they're just using it to buy time to build nukes. Sanctions might work, but it's only going to hurt the people not the government so much. I'm not really concerned about the U.S.'s safety so much as that of SK or Japan. China needs to take charge of this one.

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What WMDs? You still believe in these? Even Bush admitted they weren't any to be found, that intelligence had been "erroneous".

Then why is it that the first thing to be protected by US troops, before any population or building, was the oil fields?
If you had any idea on how foreign policies work you'd know both US and France's main reason to support and oppose the war was oil, and why the tensions faded away as fast as they appeared.


See the other thread we're discussing in.


Ponrauil

Everyone knows that Saddam had them at some point. What happened to them obviously has our whole intelligence agency saying along the lines of WTF. Bad intelligence is a *****.


Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's the foundation of Iraq's exports and GDP? No oil coming from Iraq would hurt the Iraqi people more than the idoitic insurgents blowing stuff up could. Not that I don't think we should protect structures and the people, but one has to keep the long run in mind.

Yep. Supplied by the US, France and Germany during the Iran vs Iraq war. Then distroyed during and after the first Gulf War by UN inspectors and agents, as well as further air strikes under your friend Bill Clinton's administration.

Bad intelligence yes. When Colin Powell presents himself to the UN to justify the 2003 war with a revamped report from the 1991 war, it's bad intelligence.

The 3 main reasons to go to war advanced by Bush (WMDs, link to 9/11 and direct threat to US citizens) all proved to be wrong. That's bad intelligence.

Well at least as a lousy excuse for a lousy President.

There was already an embargo on Iraqi oil in the oil/food UN program.
And for having the long run in mind well... no one in that administration had anything in mind on a longer run than "Saddam must be taken out".

Ponrauil

ponraul will tell you himself that i supported the iraq was when it started and bought the whole wmd's story but now i think it is and was a total sham and alot of people (myself included) lapped it up just like the US administration wanted.

it's kind of funny how they're saying the exact same thing about iran now and people are lapping it up.

as i said before, what about NK. we knew for a fact they were building nukes, they told everyone, and they could actually hit the US yet nothing has been done.....

if you really think the iraqi invasion was really on humanitarian grounds then you're a fool. even if i did initially believe the wmd's story, it was still obvious freeing the "poor and oppressed" iraqi's was not top of the agenda. if it was then nk would have been a much more valid and reasonable target.

infact if we're so against dictators with weapons of mass destruction why not go the whole 9 yards and go for china?..........

think about that