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Old 11-27-2003, 10:10 AM
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Recession. A complete reversal of interest rates. The economic conditions were just not right for it to be considered possible.
So you're waiting for the Euro zone to be in a better situation so it can help the UK?
No we are waiting until it is in a better situation to enable us to join.
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We were full members of the club. The power was still disproportionate.
I can't agree with that. The UK has had a lot of objections to European decisions in the past. It has never been fully pro-EU. It has simply not been implicated in the EU developpement as France, Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands, Italy or Portugal have.
Having objections & being a member are two different things. I don't know how you are trying to justify that France & Germany should have all the power, make the decision, and then flaunt the rules.
i always thought it had to do with the number of people living in each country? germany has 80 million people, the UK only has 60 million. so of course their influence is not as big as germany's
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We were full members of the club. The power was still disproportionate.
I can't agree with that. The UK has had a lot of objections to European decisions in the past. It has never been fully pro-EU. It has simply not been implicated in the EU developpement as France, Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands, Italy or Portugal have.
Having objections & being a member are two different things. I don't know how you are trying to justify that France & Germany should have all the power, make the decision, and then flaunt the rules.
I don't want France & Germany to have all the power. I just think it's fair that the countries that involve themselves the most get more advantages from the system. For example Greece has done a lot of positive things when it last had the presidency. I'm not trying to justify why France & Germany should have all the power, I'm trying to justify why the UK doesn't get treated as ANY other country in the EU, especially the ones from the Euro zone.
Seeing France and Germany flaunt the rules is a proof they don't take all the decisions by themselves. (That doesn't mean they're right to cheat)

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We were full members of the club. The power was still disproportionate.
I can't agree with that. The UK has had a lot of objections to European decisions in the past. It has never been fully pro-EU. It has simply not been implicated in the EU developpement as France, Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands, Italy or Portugal have.
Having objections & being a member are two different things. I don't know how you are trying to justify that France & Germany should have all the power, make the decision, and then flaunt the rules.
i always thought it had to do with the number of people living in each country? germany has 80 million people, the UK only has 60 million. so of course their influence is not as big as germany's
Well yes, France & Germany together hold more than a third of the whole EU population, so they must feel they're intitled to have a big influence. They shouldn't.

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last time i checked joning the single currency and being part of the EU were pretty different ball games. Britain is part of the EU and what ur sayign pretty much boils down to "unless the UK obeys all the rules impossed on it then it won't be treated fairly"

and these rules come from surprise surprise... Germany and France. I wonder how many French or Germans would be as supporitve if the UK had most of the power and abused it to a great extent?
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last time i checked joning the single currency and being part of the EU were pretty different ball games. Britain is part of the EU and what ur sayign pretty much boils down to "unless the UK obeys all the rules impossed on it then it won't be treated fairly"

and these rules come from surprise surprise... Germany and France. I wonder how many French or Germans would be as supporitve if the UK had most of the power and abused it to a great extent?
sorry to disappoint you, but it wasnt the germans who came up with the idea for the euro, you know
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it depends on how far it`s going. I do support the idea and I`m glad we are members. I love the single currency it's really cool driving to a concert in germany without needing a passport or chaning money!

but it's already getting to far, trying to make everything the same, they even want to forbide us some words so that we have to write like germans thats stupid. and you can't make everything the same,

I think it can't become a state like the USA we are all to different and it`s good that way!

so a union for economie and that stuff is ok but there are points like ecologie were the opinions are to far divdided and it's not good that the EU s got the last word all the time
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last time i checked joning the single currency and being part of the EU were pretty different ball games. Britain is part of the EU and what ur sayign pretty much boils down to "unless the UK obeys all the rules impossed on it then it won't be treated fairly"

and these rules come from surprise surprise... Germany and France. I wonder how many French or Germans would be as supporitve if the UK had most of the power and abused it to a great extent?
sorry to disappoint you, but it wasnt the germans who came up with the idea for the euro, you know
i was talking about the whole thing in general not the Euro. most of the decisions come from Germany or France cos they have the power. If they make a regulation it bypasses countries laws automatically without the member states even getting a chance to argue against it.

now i don't about you but this seems pretty fascistic.
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again, thats not true. each country has at least one representative in the EU and its not possible for either germany or france to decide something on their own (or even together). you need a majority of 50% of all of the ministers to enforce a decision
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Germany and France have the most MEPs. what do we actually need MEPs for when our own MPs cant do their job? but thats another story.

if u have the 2 parties with the most clout and members agreeing on pretty much everything then its pretty hard for anyone else to do something about it. Lets face it alot of these little countries have alot riding on their relationships with certain countries so voting doesnt always go on what the country actually wants or thinks.
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