europeans:Do you support the idea of afuture European Union?

ponrauil · #41 11-23-2003, 08:13 PM

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Resuming the France as "load dodgy people with moustaches" does sound racist

now you are putting words in my mouth..perhaps thats how you see yourself? I never mentioned any specific country..

Whatever the country...
Oh and, who are the "load dodgy people with moustaches" supposed to be then?

Ponrauil

Mongoose · #42 11-23-2003, 08:13 PM

methinks the whole European Army is more to do with the fact that certain countries are agrieved that they dont have more sway in NATO...dont forget what happened last time a European Army was attempted to be created..

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Now, soldier

careful, Im an officer, not a soldier

Mongoose · #43 11-23-2003, 08:17 PM

you really are rather PC arent you...its called a generalisation, a stereotype..what we British call a joke..

ponrauil · #44 11-23-2003, 08:18 PM

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methinks the whole European Army is more to do with the fact that certain countries are agrieved that they dont have more sway in NATO...dont forget what happened last time a European Army was attempted to be created..

I don't think so but possible. I think it came back in European leaders minds when Europe couldn't solve the Yougoslavian and Kossovar issues by itself and needed the US in. That proved the EU (and the world) was still dependent on the US.

Ponrauil

ponrauil · #45 11-23-2003, 08:22 PM

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you really are rather PC arent you...its called a generalisation, a stereotype..what we British call a joke..

Well in some circumstances, when one is pissed as I am right now thanks to statements like shuggymac's, a joke may not sound like one.

Ponrauil

Mike · #46 11-23-2003, 10:07 PM

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its so funny that when anyone says "no I dont want to be part of Europe" they are branded, racist, stupid, and havent thought about the issues (guess that whole year spent on european politics at A-Level didnt really happen..neither did the sickening ammount of Pro-European seminars we were sent to..)

Id rather suck up to America that sodding Brussels

Only Shuggymac was branded racist because... well... he is. Your only reason for not joining is based on our sovereignty. What does that stand for?.... An inferior NHS, Transport, crime, teenage pregnancy.

I know - lets align ourselves to a country that makes u PAY for medical care - has ridiculous foreign policies, & that we can't stand up to.

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oooh, a European Army/Response Force !!! how nice!!! lets Dilute the best trained Army and stick them in with a load dodgy people with moustaches!

Hmmm - lets team up with the Americans & shoot each other.

Mike · #47 11-23-2003, 10:08 PM

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I don't think he's actually THOUGHT about these issues Jess. Just jumping on the 'its all about our sovereignty' bandwagon.

er, what is there to think about? That camp was built there so that the immigrants would try and get to Britain because france didnt want them, the french are more nationalistic and resistant to foreigners that we are !!!

me, a conservative? thats a good one ! Im not resistant to change, theres no bloody need for change. You make it sound like its Europe vs. America, join Europe or America will crush us!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your only reason thus far is because you are resistant to change. You don't want it because of our 1000's of years of heritage etc.... which btw we will not use. The Pound wasn't in use centuries ago. We only decimalised recently.

Mike · #48 11-23-2003, 10:10 PM

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Again (did you deliberatly avoid my post about that camp?), the people in Sengat (That's the camp's name, though I'm not sure about the spelling) wanted to go to England,

who cares where they wanted to go, European law states (all hail european law!!) they must claim for asylum in the first place they come to..

hmm whats that? A European law being silly and not working?
Is that like the banana rule? or having to take cars apart piece by piece according to EU rule, costing 10 times as much as it does to just crush the ****???

These were illegal immigrants Mongoose. The centre stopped them before they illegally crossed thru the chunnel to the UK.

Mongoose · #49 11-23-2003, 10:16 PM

er, thanks for telling me the reasons why I dont want to be part of Europe..silly me, of course because you're an accountant you know all about me....

its got nothing to do with the heritage of the pound, personally I dont give a toss about the heritage of the pound...

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Your only reason thus far is because you are resistant to change

wtf., Im not ****ing resistant to change, you sound like some kind of bad psychologist

I DONT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH EUROPE, THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME RESISTANT TO CHANGE YOU BLOODY FOOL

Mongoose · #50 11-23-2003, 10:23 PM

This says it all - Number of countries openly criticizing the UK for legally blocking tax change proposals, 13. Number of countries openly criticizing France for an illegal beef ban, 0.

France 261, Germany 162, Italy 153,not the benefits from the EU - this is the number of times certain countries have been caught breaking EU laws this past year (99). And they have the nerve to accuse us of not being good Europeans!

Thanks to another daft EC directive, it is now illegal for duck-farmers to sell their animals in another part of the country.

Chancellor Schoder of Germany - the same Chancellor Schroder who recently said he would change German laws to stop British companies launching takeovers of his companies - has accused Tont Blair of protectionism. (another prime example why the EU will never work..)

Residents of Huttom-le-Hole, Farndale and Gillamoor in the Yorkshire Dales have been threatened that they will not be allowed to drink their local spring water - because the E.U. says it's not hard enough!

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