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Old 04-06-2004, 02:40 AM
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if all you christians dont need proof, why are you constantly trying to prove to others thats it true? Afterall, thats what this topic is about
I dont try and prove to anyone its true, I discuss beliefs, just like you discuss war, uni, which football team is the greatest. God is one of our favourite topics

God can stand up for Himself he doesnt need us to do it, but if other people bring up the topics or ask questions Christians are going to respond.

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Old 04-06-2004, 02:43 AM
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if all you christians dont need proof, why are you constantly trying to prove to others thats it true? Afterall, thats what this topic is about
It is proof for people who question their faith and want to learn about the faith of others. From there, they can choose whether that proof is reliable to them.
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Old 04-06-2004, 08:22 PM
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Shame you cant enter into the debate and instead pick on a picture !

I thought the articles were interesting and raised interesting points/questions about Jesus life and death.

I dont need proof that Jesus lives , he came to teach us how to live and how to die to live again , to be saved.

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Im quite happy to discuss those articles they were intresting through more human pshyc than actuall proof to a extent. My problem was someone taking swipes at someone elses belives.
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if all you christians dont need proof, why are you constantly trying to prove to others thats it true? Afterall, thats what this topic is about
It is meant for believer and not for non-believer. Some people just can't believe anything.
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Shame you cant enter into the debate and instead pick on a picture !

I thought the articles were interesting and raised interesting points/questions about Jesus life and death.

I dont need proof that Jesus lives , he came to teach us how to live and how to die to live again , to be saved.

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Me too, but i posted it coz i thought the article was intersting.
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You shouldn't make fun of someone elses faith. A person's beliefs and values are a part of them and is a part of who they are, thus you are poking fun at the person and people like them. Respect others' beliefs even if you don't agree.
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Thats pathetic let people alone with there belives eh!. Theres no need to be a ***** about it he is only trying to start a debate about something. Its really no surprise you didnt like the passion film like.

first i have no problems with people that believe in god! no problems at all. but you seem to have a problem with people who don't believe it. i took part of many religious discussions here and i always tried to respect both sides. and i think i have the same right to post my opinions as you have to post yours...

yes, allmike did start a debate and i answered to it. but my answer to this is not "yeah, cool that we have evidences now", but my answer was "i don't believe stuff that this worldwide church of god writes about evidences, because they can in no way be objective". i have the right to not believe them, like you have the right to believe it! if it would have been a link to a scientific website posting neutral facts it would have been something totally different. if you do believe in something that others don't, than accept that these others do not believe it and don't attack these other people!

i did in no way criticise anybody who believes it, and especially i didn't say anything bad about allmike who posted the topic. i like most of allmikes posts also in 99% of the religious topics he has a different opinion than i have. but i have no problem with that and he didn't seem to have a problem with me neighter. so i thought that he could easiliy take it when i say that i don't believe in these "evidences" and i also thought that all other christians could take this. i thought being tolerant about other opinions is one of the basic ideas behind a message board and also behind christan religion, so i don't understand why you react like that!

and then i really don't understand what this has to do with the passion film. it has nothing to do with that subject, and i explained pretty well why i didn't like it. and no, not because it was religous! if that would have been the reason, do you honestly believe that i would have even seen that movie? i don't spend money on things that i know that i'm not gonna like. i went to the movie with good expectations cause i thought that it would be a good movie for me. i like many religous films, also some that show parts of the life of jesus. i just don't like this particular one! not believing in resurrection has nothing to do with liking a film about jesus in my eyes. for me a movie is a piece of art and the story that it tells is only a part of it. i can like a film if i don't like or don't believe the story. or to give another example: i love churches and cathedrals etc. even so i'm not really religious. but there are also ugly chruches in my eyes and my opinion about religion has absolutely nothing to do with wether i like such a building or not. probably you won't understand that, but i at least tried to explain....



ps: and if you really think that it's such an interresting topic and it's only me that can't discuss it: how 'bout starting a discussion? criticising me is further away from a discussion than my answer that i don't believe in these evidences. i was giving my opinion about the subject, while you didn't say one word about the subject, only about me!
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Thats pathetic let people alone with there belives eh!. Theres no need to be a ***** about it he is only trying to start a debate about something. Its really no surprise you didnt like the passion film like.

first i have no problems with people that believe in god! no problems at all. but you seem to have a problem with people who don't believe it. i took part of many religious discussions here and i always tried to respect both sides. and i think i have the same right to post my opinions as you have to post yours...

yes, allmike did start a debate and i answered to it. but my answer to this is not "yeah, cool that we have evidences now", but my answer was "i don't believe stuff that this worldwide church of god writes about evidences, because they can in no way be objective". i have the right to not believe them, like you have the right to believe it! if it would have been a link to a scientific website posting neutral facts it would have been something totally different. if you do believe in something that others don't, than accept that these others do not believe it and don't attack these other people!

i did in no way criticise anybody who believes it, and especially i didn't say anything bad about allmike who posted the topic. i like most of allmikes posts also in 99% of the religious topics he has a different opinion than i have. but i have no problem with that and he didn't seem to have a problem with me neighter. so i thought that he could easiliy take it when i say that i don't believe in these "evidences" and i also thought that all other christians could take this. i thought being tolerant about other opinions is one of the basic ideas behind a message board and also behind christan religion, so i don't understand why you react like that!

and then i really don't understand what this has to do with the passion film. it has nothing to do with that subject, and i explained pretty well why i didn't like it. and no, not because it was religous! if that would have been the reason, do you honestly believe that i would have even seen that movie? i don't spend money on things that i know that i'm not gonna like. i went to the movie with good expectations cause i thought that it would be a good movie for me. i like many religous films, also some that show parts of the life of jesus. i just don't like this particular one! not believing in resurrection has nothing to do with liking a film about jesus in my eyes. for me a movie is a piece of art and the story that it tells is only a part of it. i can like a film if i don't like or don't believe the story. or to give another example: i love churches and cathedrals etc. even so i'm not really religious. but there are also ugly chruches in my eyes and my opinion about religion has absolutely nothing to do with wether i like such a building or not. probably you won't understand that, but i at least tried to explain....



ps: and if you really think that it's such an interresting topic and it's only me that can't discuss it: how 'bout starting a discussion? criticising me is further away from a discussion than my answer that i don't believe in these evidences. i was giving my opinion about the subject, while you didn't say one word about the subject, only about me!
It is not what you said, but the way you said it. You should have simply said that you don't believe, I have nothing wrong with that. I took your post as making fun of the picture and thus Christians in general. You worded it and presented the picture in such a way, that that is what I got out of your response. No hard feelings
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