Hi all,

Warning : this might sound stupid, crazy, boring... ah,who cares...

Just some thoughts that came up to my mind reading the posts about the Pope's death, all the news about it, etc... I think it's a good time to pause and think of who we are and where we're at.


I'd like to hear about how people live their faith, how they consider God, if they believe in God in the first place, which ever God it may be.

For my part, I recently (I'd say this last year) evolved from atheism to agnostism. Previously I was certain that there was no such thing as a God, or any entity that created the universe and had a judgement to give upon everyone of us.
I believe strongly in Science for what it's supposed to bring : the answer to the question "How?". For a long time I had faith in Science one day answering the question "Why?", but then I understood that it never had even been it's goal. Later I foung Religion, or I'd better say Believing, was the exact complement.
There are so many mysteries that Science is centuries away from clearing... logical organisations in Nature... One concrete example that got me thinking was a butterfly I saw in a Museum in Montreal that had a snake's head drawn on it's wings to scare it's predators. How was it thought that since that butterfly had a predator that was afraid of snakes, it needed a snake's head on it's wings? How was the info circulated from there to the actual drawing on the wings? By who/what?Or were there millions of different butterflies, with each a different drawing on it's wings, and only the one with the most efficient drawing survived?
Whatever the answer here, an obvious conclusion to me is that someone/something above us, all around us, beyond us, has some sort of a conscience of what everything is and of how everything is related, and some sort of power on it all. And I started believing in that something/someone. I restrain from using the word God here, because it's been filled with parasite ideas from all religious institutions that I know.
Btw according to me religious institutions should not exist, even less with hierarchy. What is going on with the Pope right now is nowhere near any faith should lead imo. Faith can be shared and discussed but certainly not generate rules that lead to judge others and therefore categorize when we're all the same.

Anyway, is this someone/something a divine entity? another conscious lifeform that we don't know of? Maybe a microscopic one. I read somewhere that bacteria recieved and transmitted genetical information from one body to another, that they were thought to be at the origin of key genetical mutations for all species throughout the evolution process. The scientist behind that theory even suggested that maybe bacteria were intelligent and that there is a probability that we could say that we are here because they wanted us to be here, or that bacteria made it to the Moon using us.

Anyway where I am at now: I know there is something but I don't know what it is.
The question now is do I want to know?
I'm not even sure of that. Because I came to enjoy the mystery behind it all. What I want to do, and like to do, is deepen the question, stiffen the mysteries, not find the answers.

However what I'm sure of (well as much as I can be) is that whatever it is:

1 - it is so much beyond us that it has no judgement on us or anything, no need for adoration or even belief, no absolute rule to be followed. It's there for the sake of it, for the beauty of it.

2 - Everything, matter, life, spirits, everything is organised with it, by it.

3 - Mankind, with it's conscience, actually has the ability to retrieve itself from the process or abuse it by dividing, isolating, ranking, etc... but it also has the ability to participate, to take it's right and deserved place in all this by respecting, sharing, learning, etc...

I chose my side as this is where I believe in some values defended by religions : love, forgiveness, peace, solidarity... this also where I disagree with the same religions on homosexuality, abortion, women's rights, heaven and hell...

Care to share your thoughts?


Ponrauil