I am atheist. I don't like any religious institution and since for me those things are *that* connected, I don't believe in any God either.
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Originally Posted by ponrauil
I believe strongly in Science for what it's supposed to bring : the answer to the question "How?". For a long time I had faith in Science one day answering the question "Why?", but then I understood that it never had even been it's goal.
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I partially agree. I strongly believe in science. For me there are two very important sides. The one side are the natural sciences, on top of which I see astronomy in this day and age. This side is for the "How?". The other equally important side is philosophy, the "Why?". So, for me, those two questions are not that far away from each other. They are both questions with scientifical approach.
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There are so many mysteries that Science is centuries away from clearing... logical organisations in Nature...
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I very much agree with this. But then I look back at what the past century had discovered with science and this confirms my FAITH in science.
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Whatever the answer here, an obvious conclusion to me is that someone/something above us, all around us, beyond us, has some sort of a conscience of what everything is and of how everything is related, and some sort of power on it all.
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Yes, and I would call it Nature, i.e. an all-embracing thing including the whole universe and what is beyond, not just the "nature" on our little planet.
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Anyway where I am at now: I know there is something but I don't know what it is.
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To me it is Nature. It doesn't mean I understand everything, but it is what I think this something is.
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However what I'm sure of (well as much as I can be) is that whatever it is:
1 - it is so much beyond us that it has no judgement on us or anything, no need for adoration or even belief, no absolute rule to be followed. It's there for the sake of it, for the beauty of it.
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I'm not sure about that.
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2 - Everything, matter, life, spirits, everything is organised with it, by it.
3 - Mankind, with it's conscience, actually has the ability to retrieve itself from the process or abuse it by dividing, isolating, ranking, etc... but it also has the ability to participate, to take it's right and deserved place in all this by respecting, sharing, learning, etc...
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I agree on those two.
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I chose my side as this is where I believe in some values defended by religions: love, forgiveness, peace, solidarity... this also where I disagree with the same religions on homosexuality, abortion, women's rights, heaven and hell...
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Yep. I always say that the Bible includes lots of good values that should be maintained. But I believe those values were there before the Bible, so I don't need to believe in the Bible to live by these values. Plus that I think the bad things in religion do easily outweigh the good.