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Old 11-29-2003, 12:30 AM
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Oh no...Hilary for president...(splashes cold water on face) Please tell me this is a sick nightmare... I'd seriously think about leaving the US then. We wouldn't get into as many wars but she would seriously screw up things here at home. We CAN'T get at Democrat into office here! Either that or we need to have both Houses filled with Republicans. Sure, they suck at foreign policy, but Democrats are, like, one step removed from socialists.

And does anyone else here think that Hilary's legs are on upside down?

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Oh no...Hilary for president...(splashes cold water on face) Please tell me this is a sick nightmare... I'd seriously think about leaving the US then. We wouldn't get into as many wars but she would seriously screw up things here at home. We CAN'T get at Democrat into office here! Either that or we need to have both Houses filled with Republicans. Sure, they suck at foreign policy, but Democrats are, like, one step removed from socialists.

And does anyone else here think that Hilary's legs are on upside down?

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Hilary came to speak at my school last week and even though I don't like her I thought I'd go listen to what she had to say. After about 20 minutes I left because I didn't agree with a single word she was saying. If the election does come down to her vs. Bush I think I will have to kill myself.
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Old 11-29-2003, 01:35 AM
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Personally, I think anybody would be better than George Bush.

I have nothing against Hillary. She certainly wouldn't be the worst of them.

Though, I hope she is not running in 2004, cause I have my hopes on Wesley Clark. :P
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I don't know if I totally agree with that. It was the infamous Bill Clinton that got us further into this entire mess to begin with, and if his wife shares his views, it could be bad.


On the second anniversary of September 11, there wasn't half as much solemnity and national unity on network TV coverage as last year. Bush administration officials were hammered by the TV interviewers for somehow straying from the war on al Qaeda into Iraq. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton was being served cups of homage along with the coffee. CBS's Hannah Storm cooed: "You've fought so much for the heroes of 9/11 ... Has enough been done for the heroes, the people who fought so bravely on that day?"

In other words, we're back to normal. The imbalance was not only stunning for Team Bush, it was unfair to the viewing public. Several authors are now reviewing the Clinton legacy on terrorism, and it's a sorry one. Their new books should have caused CBS and the others to ask Sen. Clinton: Why didn't your husband seize Osama bin Laden when he had the chance?

It takes the passage of time for a true historical verdict to be reached, but the Clinton legacy on terrorism is one virtually no one wants to discuss. When they do touch on it, the authors seem very sensitive to appearing to be too anti-Clinton.

On Sept. 3, author Gerald Posner came on NBC's "Today" show to discuss his new book, "Why America Slept." Katie Couric bluntly asked if he blamed Clinton for failing to prevent the attacks. Posner tiptoed and mumbled into a yes, "unfortunately." But he added: "If the Republicans had been in power, it would've been the same situation, Katie. I'd be talking to you today about nobody paying attention. It just happened to fall on Bill Clinton's watch, unfortunately." After changing the subject to the Saudi connection to al Qaeda, Katie underlined that Posner's book should be read with a jaundiced eye: "a member of the National Security Council and a senior intelligence official in this country says the whole thing is fantasy."'

Posner was back on TV the next day on the hot morning show "Fox & Friends," and the change in the author's tone was dramatic. Co-host Steve Doocy asked how many times Posner voted for Clinton (both times), and then asked if he would so again in hindsight. Posner not only said there was zero chance of that, he rebutted himself from the day before: "I thought anyone who was in office (would have failed), we weren't paying attention as a country ... But Clinton was particularly bad."

Why? Clinton missed an opportunity to get Osama from the Sudan in 1996. "Worse than that," Posner told Fox, Osama landed in a jumbo jet with 150 family members and aides on the ground of our ally, Qatar: "They call up and say, 'What should we do with this guy?' And the White House says, 'Send him on.'" Posner even charged that Clinton did little because he was always doing polling to figure out if he should go after bin Laden, as opposed to leading the public against the building terror threat.

Conservative analysts from Rush Limbaugh on down have focused their minds and energies on the things Bill Clinton could have done to prevent the September 11 attacks. But our "objective" press corps can't even imagine blaming Clinton for anything. Posner's Clinton "bashing" was left out of the "Today" show Web site excerpt. The Sept. 8 Time magazine carried an "explosive" book review, but it was another interesting Posner story about the confession of top al-Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah -- nothing on Clinton.


Even if it's negative, at least Posner's book is getting major media attention. Former Wall Street Journal writer Richard Miniter's book, "Losing Bin Laden," goes into detail on Clinton's failures, but he hasn't been invited on ABC, CBS or NBC. In an interview with National Review Online on September 11, Miniter listed 16 moments of opportunity when Team Clinton screwed up the chance to get Osama.

Miniter is most intrigued by the response to the 2000 bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, which took the lives of 17 U.S. soldiers. Except for counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke, the entire Clinton team wanted to take no military action in response. Janet Reno thought it was against "international law." Madeleine Albright thought it would hurt America in "world opinion." Even Defense Secretary Bill Cohen was a no. One friend told Clarke: "What's it going to take to get them to hit al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Does al Qaeda have to attack the Pentagon?"

Albright is the next major author who will make the TV rounds promoting a book. That's a good opportunity for the network stars to ask the tough questions about Clinton administration mistakes. But that's about as likely as Clinton doing the right thing about terrorism
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Now you can read what I have read above, and say it is propaganda, but one fact is what Bill did to our military.

Thanks to massive cuts in the defense budget (hey, those balanced-budget spending targets had to be reached somehow), the United States at the end of the Clinton tenure spent a smaller percentage of its annual budget on the military than at any time since World War II. All while military deployments have increased all across the globe.
So let's see, that was an increased worldwide usage of U.S. military force, coupled with slashed budgets year after year. The inevitable outcome? An understaffed, ill-equipped, low-morale military force, the likes of which had not been seen in this nation since before the Second World War.


As I have said, IF Hilary plans to run this country in the same fashion her husband did, we would be far better off with Bush, IMO.
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I think if Hilary would run and win, it would definitely be Bill calling the shots.
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I think if Hilary would run and win, it would be Bill in fact, who would be calling the shots.
I think Bill was Hill's puppet the first go 'round. Eight years of her was enough.

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mumbled into a yes, "unfortunately." But he added: "If the Republicans had been in power, it would've been the same situation, Katie. I'd be talking to you today about nobody paying attention. It just happened to fall on Bill Clinton's watch, unfortunately."
I kinda agree with this statement.

Methinks political situation in the world in the 90s led to US reducing its military force and budget, not Clinton's watch. And anyway, even with reduced military force US should be far ahead of all other countries in this area.

I also think better her than Bush. Bush is disliked abroad very much. And that creates a great deal of tension in international politics. Tension is never good. Who knows what it may lead to.
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Bush is disliked abroad very much. And that creates a great deal of tension in international politics. Tension is never good. Who knows what it may lead to.
Tension is not good, but you also can't ignore things for fear of getting some other country mad. That is what Clinton was famous for.

Plus, look at what the same person said the next day.

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