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And look how badly he screwed that up! Think about it!
Bush is not better...
That remains to be seen.....

Beginning with the insertion of "peacekeeping" soldiers overseas early in his first term, Clinton dispatched the American military on more than 140 distinct deployments, more than any Commander-in-Chief in American history. Think about that for a moment -- that's nearly 18 dispatches per year, an average of well more than one per month. That's more than eight times as many as Presidents Carter, Reagan and Bush ordered between 1980 and 1990!

Not to mention he ordered the destruction of a Sudanese aspirin factory on the day that Monica Lewinsky testified about him before a grand jury.
What the hell did he have against a Sudanese aspirin factory...or was it a ploy to divert attention from what was going on in the courtroom?

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It was a ploy, something he did quite often when the headlines were not going his way.
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And look how badly he screwed that up! Think about it!
Bush is not better...
That remains to be seen.....

Beginning with the insertion of "peacekeeping" soldiers overseas early in his first term, Clinton dispatched the American military on more than 140 distinct deployments, more than any Commander-in-Chief in American history. Think about that for a moment -- that's nearly 18 dispatches per year, an average of well more than one per month. That's more than eight times as many as Presidents Carter, Reagan and Bush ordered between 1980 and 1990!

Not to mention he ordered the destruction of a Sudanese aspirin factory on the day that Monica Lewinsky testified about him before a grand jury.
What the hell did he have against a Sudanese aspirin factory...or was it a ploy to divert attention from what was going on in the courtroom?

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It was a ploy, something he did quite often when the headlines were not going his way.
But don't all political leaders use this tactic? Clinton just seemed to perfect it

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That remains to be seen.....

Beginning with the insertion of "peacekeeping" soldiers overseas early in his first term, Clinton dispatched the American military on more than 140 distinct deployments, more than any Commander-in-Chief in American history. Think about that for a moment -- that's nearly 18 dispatches per year, an average of well more than one per month. That's more than eight times as many as Presidents Carter, Reagan and Bush ordered between 1980 and 1990!
You know methinks such serious decisions must be motivated by something. E.g., Soviet Union broke up in 1991. Who knows what else.

Let's wait a bit. We may find out some interesting things about Bush too.
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Beginning with the insertion of "peacekeeping" soldiers overseas early in his first term, Clinton dispatched the American military on more than 140 distinct deployments, more than any Commander-in-Chief in American history. Think about that for a moment -- that's nearly 18 dispatches per year, an average of well more than one per month. That's more than eight times as many as Presidents Carter, Reagan and Bush ordered between 1980 and 1990!
You know methinks such serious decisions must be motivated by something. E.g., Soviet Union broke up in 1991. Who knows what else.

Let's wait a bit. We may find out some interesting things about Bush too.
I am sure that we will find out interesting things, but I KNOW interesting things already about the Clintons, hence the reason I don't want them back in office.
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I would really like you to share with me why you think that Clinton is better than Bush. I need to understand.
I don't think Clinton was better than Bush. I think Bush is not better than Clinton. As I mentioned above international tension Bush created makes me nervous.
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I am sure that we will find out interesting things, but I KNOW interesting things already about the Clintons, hence the reason I don't want them back in office.
Fair enough. I don't want either of them back in the office.
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I would really like you to share with me why you think that Clinton is better than Bush. I need to understand.
I don't think Clinton was better than Bush. I think Bush is not better than Clinton. As I mentioned above international tension Bush created makes me nervous.
Yeah...you and the Canadians too...Chretien, our PM, didn't care too much for Bush. There were a lot of people freaking when the Canadian army didn't go with the Americans to Iraq. But then again, if you knew what the state of our army, you wouldn't want us there either

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Now you can read what I have read above, and say it is propaganda, but one fact is what Bill did to our military.

Thanks to massive cuts in the defense budget (hey, those balanced-budget spending targets had to be reached somehow), the United States at the end of the Clinton tenure spent a smaller percentage of its annual budget on the military than at any time since World War II. All while military deployments have increased all across the globe.
So let's see, that was an increased worldwide usage of U.S. military force, coupled with slashed budgets year after year. The inevitable outcome? An understaffed, ill-equipped, low-morale military force, the likes of which had not been seen in this nation since before the Second World War.


As I have said, IF Hilary plans to run this country in the same fashion her husband did, we would be far better off with Bush, IMO.
Only because Bush is so keen on using that military. Spending less of your taxes on a military u shouldn't need should be a good thing.
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You think so? She was first lady to one of the most corrupt administrations ever!
I'd have to say this administration eclipses it in terms of being corrupt. All Clinton did was stick a cigar into someone & then deny it. Great - hardly world affairs.... If it wasn't for the money being poured into the case from some greedy republican donor, then this trivial personal matter would never have even made a difference.

There are a lot of ppl in high places with links to companies that gain to benefit from the invasion of Iraq.

There is the Jewish connection.
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I would really like you to share with me why you think that Clinton is better than Bush. I need to understand.
Charles Krauthammer's column blaming all the world's problems on former president Bill Clinton [op-ed, Feb. 14] echoes attacks by ultraconservative writers and regurgitates their anti-Clinton bile to distort history. Krauthammer's allegations are wrong and misleading. At a time when our nation is preparing for war, we should be serious about serious things, rather than gathering debating points to please one extreme of the political spectrum. Consider:



Iraq. In 1991 we had 500,000 troops in and around Iraq. President George H.W. Bush decided on a strategy of containment, not overthrow. During the Clinton years, military force was deployed against Iraq on four occasions, including an intensive four-day air campaign in 1998 that significantly set back Iraq's program of weapons of mass destruction. As a result of the Clinton administration's efforts -- the combination of sanctions, strong enforcement of the no-fly zone and military action -- the Iraq our troops face today is far weaker than it was a decade ago.

North Korea. Pyongyang's nuclear program was built up during the 1970s and '80s, and the plutonium possibly used to make one or two nuclear weapons was created before Clinton took office. It was Clinton -- taking a firm stand, as opposed to the current confused posture of the United States -- who froze North Korea's plutonium production operation. Were it not for Clinton's leadership, North Korea would have enough plutonium to make at least 50 nuclear bombs today.

Terrorism. Krauthammer, citing terrorist attacks during the 1990s, claims we were on a "holiday from history" in our response. He should look a little farther back in the history books. Nearly 500 of our citizens died at the hands of foreign terrorists during the Reagan administration, including 241 Marines at barracks in Lebanon, to which that administration's response was promptly to withdraw. The 1980s were the most ravaging decade of terrorism against Americans before Sept. 11, 2001. Except for a single bombing run against Libya one day in April 1986, there was no significant military response.

Under the Clinton administration, fighting terrorism became a national priority. Counterterrorism funding doubled. Force was used against Osama bin Laden and Iraq. Multiple terrorist plots were stopped, including plans to blow up tunnels and the United Nations headquarters and to strike U.S. targets during our millennium celebrations. Al Qaeda cells were rolled up in more than 20 countries. Dozens of important terrorist fugitives were apprehended.

Where were Republican leaders then? Some were busy opposing key efforts to strengthen laws designed to combat terrorists. Others criticized significant counterterrorism funding requests. Perhaps I missed Krauthammer's column at the time chiding his Republican friends for "kicking the can" down the road.

By the way, if any leading Republicans were calling for military action against Afghanistan during the Clinton administration, it is hard to find evidence of it in the public record of that time. Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush certainly did not.

As for the allegation that Sudan "offered up" Osama bin Laden to us in 1996, it's a right-wing lie. It didn't happen. If a more robust strategy for combating international terrorism was obvious before 9/11, President Bush had nine months to initiate it. He did not.

The Balkans. Krauthammer's dismissive description of America's successful efforts to stop ethnic cleansing and genocide in the Balkans as "teacup wars" will come as a shock to the hundreds of thousands of people saved by American action and to the thousands of families who lost loved ones to Serbian aggression. His swipe at those conflicts also insults the courage of the U.S. soldiers who risked their lives in combat in Bosnia and Kosovo and grossly ignores the strategic threat that war in Western Europe's back yard represented.

Every president inherits a world full of problems. From the first President Bush, Clinton inherited a brewing genocide in the Balkans, growing tension in the Middle East, a standoff in Northern Ireland, unrest in Haiti, an unstable situation in Russia, a healthy and dangerous Saddam Hussein in Iraq, and an emerging terrorist threat. It's not former president Bush's fault that these crises carried over, and Clinton certainly didn't spend the next two years blaming his predecessor for them. America and the world were better prepared and able to meet each of these challenges at the end of the Clinton administration than at the beginning.

We should work together to confront the threats to our nation today. But by giving Bill Clinton no credit for his achievements and all the blame for our present problems, Krauthammer's "Holiday From History" column is one long holiday from reality.
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