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Old 10-11-2004, 12:23 AM
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PARIS, Oct 10 (AFP) - France reserves the right to veto Turkey's entry into the European Union "at any moment," President Jacques Chirac told state television Sunday in an interview during a state visit to Beijing.

The French parliament would be consulted on the issue of Turkey's membership, he promised, stressing that in negotiations with Ankara "at any moment France can withdraw, can apply a veto, or can refuse".

"At that moment, the negotiations end. We are thus totally free," said Chirac, who has previously stated he personally favours Turkey eventually joining the European bloc.

"In any case, the French will have the last word through a referendum if it goes to that point," he said. "And it's a matter that will not be discussed for another 10 or 15 years at the earliest, if it is at all."

The ambiguity of Chirac's stance on Turkey reflected differences between deputies in his ruling UMP party on the issue.

The party has declared itself opposed to the idea of Turkey, a poor, predominantly Muslim state, joining the European Union, which itself already took on 10 new members this year, most of them former Soviet states from eastern Europe.

Chirac has declared he would put the Turkey membership question to a referendum, apparently in a bid to separate the controversy from efforts to have the French electorate adopt an EU constitution.

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He also said that any EU member can do the same as France.
The entry of Turkey into the EU will need a unanimous "yes" from all 25 members after the negociations for it that are due to open next year.

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Old 10-11-2004, 02:50 AM
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letting turkey in is an even stupider idea than all the eastern bloc countries we let in earlier in the year.
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Old 10-11-2004, 02:58 AM
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Why Jim?

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Old 10-11-2004, 03:03 AM
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is that a rhetorical quesiton or do you genuinely not grasp the idiocy of letting countries that might as well still be int he dark ages fraternise?
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I'm asking your reasons for not wanting Turkey to join that's all.

IMO it would be wrong to let them join today but I see nothing wrong in opening negociations with them. That can make them evolve in a positive enough way so that they meet the strict conditions necessary for them to join in 10-15 years from now.
There are very important things they'd have to change before I'd be ready to accept them in the EU but I believe they have the time, will and interests to do so, why not give them a chance? Especially since the EU can close the door at any time if conditions are not accepted.

I also think Turkey is not that backward compared to where Portugal or Greece were when the EU opened negociations with them.

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turkey has a very important geostrategic role for europe. and not only for europe but for the unites states as well. that's why they press the EU on this subject (something that the EU can't ignore).
also we're talking about a very big country with a huge market. the EU wants an easy access to that market and agreements that will make trading with turkey more profitable.
furthermore don't forget the islamic people- not only the ones who live in turkey and the other islamic countries, but also the ones who live in european countries- and the impact on the relations between the "two worlds" if the EU finally rejects turkey's membership.
on the other hand the EU members are afraid that turkey will gain much power within the EU just because it will be one of the biggest countries. the EU also wants to avoid the financial aid to turkey which will be huge.
as it seems it's a very challenging subject that the EU will have to discuss and decide about it in the future. germany, i think, talked about a privileged partnership or something, with turkey.
what i think is that religion or culture should not be a problem (and they are not really- not for the leaders who decide). turks are what they are and they can't change their past nor their culture. after all no people in the world would do that. there are some things, indeed, that their government should reform but why should culture and religion become an obstacle?
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Greece still shouldn't be in it if you ask me and Portugal had the benefit of sharing a border with Spain which would only benefit it IMO.

Georgia and Bulgaria aren't exactly as helpful in advancing a country if you ask me.

Starting negotiations is a good idea but if I don't see them actually being suitable to join for at least 25 years.

Wether this is the case or not is completely open. i can imagine major backhanders going on in situations like this.
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Greece still shouldn't be in it if you ask me and Portugal had the benefit of sharing a border with Spain which would only benefit it IMO.
Both countries joined at the same time, as Spain wasn't so much better off than Portugal at the time (1986).

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Georgia and Bulgaria aren't exactly as helpful in advancing a country if you ask me.
There is also a border with Greece, that means with the EU.

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