France 'free' to block Turkey's EU membership

Who is spouting shit here? You better get your so called facts straight. And hardly anyone agrees with you apart from your fellow men from the isle. And you know what? That is not the point. The point is that once again you generalize, you lump them all together, you once again act like a kid. At least you got the proper nickname.

You basically want to put every Turk on the wall but call others cold hearted?
Things can't be forgiven because they affected YOUR family? Why? Are you anyhow special?
It was end of story pages ago because YOU said so? And that's a fact? Why?
Although you said you'll leave the thread pages ago but came back continuing spouting shit, Keeper is spouting shit? How?

It is YOU who charge everybody with spouting shit when someone disagrees. It is YOU who almost immediately insult people for other beliefs.

Please reconsider your grip on reality.

Who HATES America here except for Krb?
Who used terms against Americans like Andy did about the Turks?

Ponrauil

people who dislike america.

i wouldn't go far enough to waste my time and effor thating turkey or other nations but there are some I have a great deal of disdain for just as there are many people with a great disdain for America for actions within their country and with regards to the wider world.

There isn't that big a difference.

Insulting someones' screenname is ridiculous, immature and plain low. It certainly doesn't make you seem very grown up *ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº*.

WTF? Re-read that and think about it. No need for exaggerations for rhetorical or dramatic value either.

Who are YOU to tell anybody, who had to go through some horrific drama, to forgive and let go --- it isn’t your place nor is it your right to do so. I find it much more un-tolerant to come down on someone and tell them how they are supposed to feel and to tell them they have no right to hate and they are supposed to forgive "cause they ain't special". YOu know my family is special to me. I am sure Andy's family is special to him. And I am sure you feel the same about your family.

I know about as much about Andy’s family history as I do of yours – nill – but I can tell you that I can see myself having a rather hard time getting over some horrific drama when a different nation invades my home, rapes my daughter, kills my father, tortures my brother, takes all I have and then tells me to take a hike out of the country – I bet it would be very difficult for me to go on and say ‘well I know not all of you are the same’. PARTICULARLY, when said nation has not done much to fess up and taken responsibility for its actions. If you say you wouldn’t generalize and you’d forgive and go your merry way --- well, I’d think that was rather saintly of you – though I wouldn’t feel the need to act/do the same. To belittle someones valid emotions about stuff like that is a lot worse in my opinion than to generalize.

It was end of story as he said what he had to say and there was no need to attack him for that. You can disagree if you want to, but there is no need to call him names and attack and for general disrespect.

And what reality exactly are you referring to? The one of his family that you'd like to conveniently ignore or the one that you'd like to see?

+1 to all of that.

You don't just forgive stuff like that.

just to make this clear:

in no way am I proposing for the general public to start hating the Turks or to start hating any other nation in general for that matter. I am completely against hating a nation for what individuals have done and know all to well how it feels to be hated for something my family had absolutely nothing to do with.

What I AM taking issue with here, is that Andy stated his personal opinion and that is just that - entirely PERSONAL - and got singled out and attacked for his political incorrectness. I cannot find anything in his posts that would allude to the fact that he thought EVERYONE should think that way (though he may very well feel that way), but rather was pissed off that people would ridicule and belittle his personal feelings.

Thank you Maria. im sure CC thinks he can come back and do the same again with this thread but maybe he will think about it this time........


Also, no...I couldn’t care less if my best friend had Turkish friends, I don’t in the slightest. I wouldn’t 'warn' anyone away from them but I would never give them my money, my trust, my time and my forgiveness. That’s the way it’s staying. Im not going to change my mind cos CC and Keeper couldn’t see that. I mean what would it take to affect you in the same way? How many people would you like to lose...I mean come on, it was 30 years ago....you can forget about it now surely...

You are right. I couldn't help but level down to meet the requirements.

I don't need to re-read. I have written it.

Please, you do the re-read cause that is NOT what I have done. I refused to accept that he put his personal feelings as if they were fact - he even said so. Just because he can not forgive doesn't mean things can't be forgiven at all.

Again, that's NOT what I said.

I didn't mention anywhere what my feelings for or against the Turks are! Again, I am not here to tell Andy what to believe. He is the one freaking out everytime someone disagrees. And he behaved like shit towards Keeper who had done nothing to him.


I belittle his behaviour towards other posters. When someone disagrees he constitutes his foul language as fact and tells others to shut up. If you still don't see that then let me add, I have valid emotions about that stuff. I mustn't be belittled.

Show me one thing where Keeper attacked him in the first place! He can't lead a decent discussion, people who disagree have to shut up and it is him who ends the debate so no one can respond after he spouted out his "facts". Then he attacks or mocks people when _they_ use the same line.
And then he has even the assurance to call _them_ offensive and cold hearted.

Surely not the one where he sees his of course valid emotions as facts and tell everyone else to shut up.
Once again, this is not about his beliefs or opinions, it's about his behaviour on here.

Sure can I come back. Why do you say so? You said the same already to Keeper. Is the right to come back and spout shit only for you?

Again, NOWHERE have I stated so far what I think of the Turks. I am NOT here to change your opinion. YOU shit on others opinions, and like those words intend, not in a decent way.