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Penrose · #21 04-01-2003, 09:15 PM

It prepares them for a life of manual labour when they eventually leave.

This is what I think (in general):

If you have a degree you join the Air Force, if you have a degree and are gay you join the navy, if you do not have a degree but have A-Levels (and you may or may not be gay) you join the navy, if you are none of the above you join the army.

Mongoose · #22 04-01-2003, 09:20 PM

heh

although a degree in the RAF only entitles you to enhanced promotion prospects and slightly better starting pay. They tend nowadays to say, sod the degree, just join after Sixth Form.

Penrose · #23 04-01-2003, 09:23 PM

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heh

although a degree in the RAF only entitles you to enhanced promotion prospects and slightly better starting pay. They tend nowadays to say, sod the degree, just join after Sixth Form.

Don't know. I've never looked into it. I'm just (probably accurately) stereotyping.

Mike · #24 04-01-2003, 09:24 PM

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Its also the one with the most trades on offer for those that wish to learn something whilst they are there

You mean like manual skills and such?

Actually - You'll be surprised by the amount of opportunities offered by the army in all walks of life. ... This tends to be at officer level though.. I.e: When u have a degree.

Mike McRock · #25 04-01-2003, 09:38 PM

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Of course there are others: people *think* they are doing a good thing by defending their country's foreign policy that they probably don't understand and half of the population don't agree with, people want to see some of the world but aren't independent enough to do it on their own

I doin't want war, but I certainly do think that the army does have an important job, and is a crucial part of our country...... In the 1938ish election in Britian, the Labour candidate wanted to completely disarm Britain, if they'd have got in, and actually carried this policy thorugh, goodness knows what sort of a world we'd be living in!

Arm's aren't just for offensive, and are not also locked in foreign policy.... We have the Fireman's strike over here, and it's the army who are having to come in and make sure the country can still function! There are a lot of jobs they do (much more than I'm awear of) that are important.... Still, you can't have a country without a fource. Even down to the fact they protect the Government. If an army doesn't like the way things are going, or thinks a government is going in the wrong direction, it can use it's influence.... i.e if it felt the war was such a bad idea they could put their foot down.....

What do they need to understand? At the end of the day, people are still helping the economy that is helping fight the war, they're not fighting it on thin air. So inadverably, we are all helping to fight a war we don't understand, or don't want to fight. A soldier may feel the war is wrong, but it's his job, he's got to do it. Just like I may not agree with the war, but I'm sure a % of the £60 VAT from my Synth has gone to fight this war!

Penrose · #26 04-01-2003, 09:44 PM

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Of course there are others: people *think* they are doing a good thing by defending their country's foreign policy that they probably don't understand and half of the population don't agree with, people want to see some of the world but aren't independent enough to do it on their own

I doin't want war, but I certainly do think that the army does have an important job, and is a crucial part of our country...... In the 1938ish election in Britian, the Labour candidate wanted to completely disarm Britain, if they'd have got in, and actually carried this policy thorugh, goodness knows what sort of a world we'd be living in!

Arm's aren't just for offensive, and are not also locked in foreign policy.... We have the Fireman's strike over here, and it's the army who are having to come in and make sure the country can still function! There are a lot of jobs they do (much more than I'm awear of) that are important.... Still, you can't have a country without a fource. Even down to the fact they protect the Government. If an army doesn't like the way things are going, or thinks a government is going in the wrong direction, it can use it's influence.... i.e if it felt the war was such a bad idea they could put their foot down.....

What do they need to understand? At the end of the day, people are still helping the economy that is helping fight the war, they're not fighting it on thin air. So inadverably, we are all helping to fight a war we don't understand, or don't want to fight. A soldier may feel the war is wrong, but it's his job, he's got to do it.

No he/she doesn't. They could refuse to fight like some troops have in Iraq.

Mongoose · #27 04-01-2003, 09:49 PM

when I was at Cadets, the first thing the Careers dude told us was "if you join the Royal Air Force, you are joining up to fight for your countey should the situation arise. If you dont want to fight, why the hell are you applying to join the Armed Forces?"

Mike McRock · #28 04-01-2003, 09:59 PM

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Of course there are others: people *think* they are doing a good thing by defending their country's foreign policy that they probably don't understand and half of the population don't agree with, people want to see some of the world but aren't independent enough to do it on their own

I doin't want war, but I certainly do think that the army does have an important job, and is a crucial part of our country...... In the 1938ish election in Britian, the Labour candidate wanted to completely disarm Britain, if they'd have got in, and actually carried this policy thorugh, goodness knows what sort of a world we'd be living in!

Arm's aren't just for offensive, and are not also locked in foreign policy.... We have the Fireman's strike over here, and it's the army who are having to come in and make sure the country can still function! There are a lot of jobs they do (much more than I'm awear of) that are important.... Still, you can't have a country without a fource. Even down to the fact they protect the Government. If an army doesn't like the way things are going, or thinks a government is going in the wrong direction, it can use it's influence.... i.e if it felt the war was such a bad idea they could put their foot down.....

What do they need to understand? At the end of the day, people are still helping the economy that is helping fight the war, they're not fighting it on thin air. So inadverably, we are all helping to fight a war we don't understand, or don't want to fight. A soldier may feel the war is wrong, but it's his job, he's got to do it.

No he/she doesn't. They could refuse to fight like some troops have in Iraq.

That must be a real minority. And they shouldn't be given any cedit. They agreed to put their own feelings asside and to be the tool of a government, that's what they agree to when they sign up. There's a lot of honour in refusing to fight if you're called up for, but if you've already agreed to join the army before hand, then I'm sorry but you should do your job, get on with it and not make it out like you've got this great morrals.

Mike McRock · #29 04-01-2003, 10:02 PM

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when I was at Cadets, the first thing the Careers dude told us was "if you join the Royal Air Force, you are joining up to fight for your countey should the situation arise. If you dont want to fight, why the hell are you applying to join the Armed Forces?"

Exactly, well said.

If you agree to join any sector of the fources you're agreeing to fight, to put your own beliefs asside, and be profesional, and do the job. I've gathered that there are a lot of benefits from being in the fources, one of the bits you put in is that you agree to do this.... Peole who now refuse to fight are takers, who want in when they can get something out of it, but when they have to do their job, when they have to really do what they agreed to do, it's just spineless to back down.

Penrose · #30 04-01-2003, 10:13 PM

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when I was at Cadets, the first thing the Careers dude told us was "if you join the Royal Air Force, you are joining up to fight for your countey should the situation arise. If you dont want to fight, why the hell are you applying to join the Armed Forces?"

Exactly, well said.

If you agree to join any sector of the fources you're agreeing to fight, to put your own beliefs asside, and be profesional, and do the job. I've gathered that there are a lot of benefits from being in the fources, one of the bits you put in is that you agree to do this.... Peole who now refuse to fight are takers, who want in when they can get something out of it, but when they have to do their job, when they have to really do what they agreed to do, it's just spineless to back down.

It is not spineless to back down. Being afraid to speak out and just going along with it all would be spineless. They don't like the way that the Americans are conducting the war. Civilians are getting killed. They voice their opinion. Tell me what is spineless about that? They are in a whole bunch of legal trouble now.

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