Good shootin' troops

Mike · #31 04-01-2003, 10:22 PM

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when I was at Cadets, the first thing the Careers dude told us was "if you join the Royal Air Force, you are joining up to fight for your countey should the situation arise. If you dont want to fight, why the hell are you applying to join the Armed Forces?"

Exactly, well said.

If you agree to join any sector of the fources you're agreeing to fight, to put your own beliefs asside, and be profesional, and do the job. I've gathered that there are a lot of benefits from being in the fources, one of the bits you put in is that you agree to do this.... Peole who now refuse to fight are takers, who want in when they can get something out of it, but when they have to do their job, when they have to really do what they agreed to do, it's just spineless to back down.

I'd say it would be very couragous if they truly didn't belive in the war to back down... The consequences would be dire.

Mike

ugly_queen_from_mars · #32 04-02-2003, 12:59 AM

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Yeah, big guys with big guns were threatened by weak innocent women and children! When you're back into a corner by such a theateneing bunch of women and children what can you do but shoot them all down?

When they fail to stop, what else can you do? It's not about the women and children themselves, but what could be in the car with them. The Iraqi's started this suicide bombing crap a few days ago. Now, this is the price of it. Sad as it is, stop means stop. Not like the military opened fire for no reason.

stop means stop? ok no offence to you but that's kinda fascist don't you think? the americans invade into a country with no (legal) reason and order its ppl to do things or else they will shoot them? also why do you call the suicide bomb thing "crap"? it's their way to defend their country. don't the americans bomb? they do bomb everyday and everywhere and not only the military targets. what did you expect? that the iraqis would have been grateful to the americans?

Mike · #33 04-02-2003, 01:08 AM

But lets face it... If a car was coming toward u & didn't stop... & u thought it might blow up... you'd want to do something.

Not sure that shooting them would have been a good idea, as then they would be more likely to blow themselves up!!

But I guess these things happen in the blink of an eye.

Mike

Penrose · #34 04-02-2003, 01:13 AM

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But lets face it... If a car was coming toward u & didn't stop... & u thought it might blow up... you'd want to do something.

Not sure that shooting them would have been a good idea, as then they would be more likely to blow themselves up!!

But I guess these things happen in the blink of an eye.

Mike

But apparently the warning shot was fired too late which caused all of this. If the soldiers were educated they might (I am going out on a limb here) have been able to pull the trigger in time and thus have prevented this massacre from happening.

Mongoose · #35 04-02-2003, 01:30 AM

aah the stuff I get in my email these days

"On another note, Mongoose. I am an American. I FULLY support our troops and those of Britain that are fighting. Does not mean I support President Bush. Whether I like him or not, whether or not I support his actions, I respect the fact that he is President of this country and not a chimp. Thanks"

Penrose · #36 04-02-2003, 01:33 AM

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I respect the fact that he is President of this country and not a chimp. Thanks"

They're the same thing aren't they?

Mike · #37 04-02-2003, 01:41 AM

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aah the stuff I get in my email these days

"On another note, Mongoose. I am an American. I FULLY support our troops and those of Britain that are fighting. Does not mean I support President Bush. Whether I like him or not, whether or not I support his actions, I respect the fact that he is President of this country and not a chimp. Thanks"

Lol - U been calling the president a Chimp again Goose??

Mousebounce · #38 04-02-2003, 02:32 AM

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aah the stuff I get in my email these days

"On another note, Mongoose. I am an American. I FULLY support our troops and those of Britain that are fighting. Does not mean I support President Bush. Whether I like him or not, whether or not I support his actions, I respect the fact that he is President of this country and not a chimp. Thanks"

Lol - U been calling the president a Chimp again Goose??

The man does have an uncanny resemblance to one.

Mike McRock · #39 04-02-2003, 12:14 PM

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when I was at Cadets, the first thing the Careers dude told us was "if you join the Royal Air Force, you are joining up to fight for your countey should the situation arise. If you dont want to fight, why the hell are you applying to join the Armed Forces?"

Exactly, well said.

If you agree to join any sector of the fources you're agreeing to fight, to put your own beliefs asside, and be profesional, and do the job. I've gathered that there are a lot of benefits from being in the fources, one of the bits you put in is that you agree to do this.... Peole who now refuse to fight are takers, who want in when they can get something out of it, but when they have to do their job, when they have to really do what they agreed to do, it's just spineless to back down.

I'd say it would be very couragous if they truly didn't belive in the war to back down... The consequences would be dire.

Mike

Then they shouldnt' have joined an armed fource should they!

At the end of the day, the point of an army is that they are a tool of the government. They can protest before, they can continue to believe they shouldn't be there, but the fact is it's their job, they agreed that if they were asked to fight, they would do. They're backing down on an agreement they made when they joined, which I think is spineless. If they felt so abverse to fighting, and fighting maybe for a cause they didn't completely believe in, then what the hell are they doing in the army!!!!!!!!

They weren't missinformed, they knew that joining an army means you may have to fight, and you may have to fight in a war you don't believe in. It's not for them to decide now that they're not going to do it. I don't want there to be fighting, but if it's going to be stoped, it has to be the government who pull them out, not frictions within the army itself......

Davesta · #40 04-02-2003, 12:39 PM

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I am sorry for you that you got offended.

I thought it would be obvious that I was generalising since I said that the main reason that people join the army is because they are unemployable. Of course there are others: people *think* they are doing a good thing by defending their country's foreign policy that they probably don't understand and half of the population don't agree with, people want to see some of the world but aren't independent enough to do it on their own (or know that working at McDonalds will only get them a two week break in Benidorm once every year). There are others, I am sure.

Now I noticed that you apologised there, and then continued to stereotype and generalise yet again. Now I understand that some people who join the army are, as you say, unemployable. But I don't think you've done your research on this, because despite what you may think, there are a lot of educated people in the force, who for whatever reason decided to join up.

My Brother for example passed 3 A-levels and had a chance to go to university, but he decided not to, instead he decided to join the army. With 3 A-levels he could quite easily have joined as an officer, but decided not to, instead he decided to join as a conscript. Why did he do this?? Because he wanted a challenge. Simple as that, he didn't want to see the world, he didn't join because he couldn't get a job, he didn't join because he didn't understand the foreign policy, he joined because he wanted a challenge. And you'd be suprised how many people join because of this. Thankfully he got medically discharged last year after injuring his leg, otherwise he'd no doubt be in the gulf right now.

I also think that you've underestimated the skill involved in the army. It's not just lifting and carrying as you seem to believe. The training for one thing, especially in the elite regiments, is tougher than you could imagine, and I've got a huge amount of respect for those who pass it. The art of soldiering is extremely complicated, not least in the basic information that needs to be learnt, before any manouvres or combat situations are learnt or applied. There may not be as much mental power needed, but it doesnt mean that soldiers are ignorant or stupid, it just means that they don't particularly want to become an accountant for the rest of their lives, maybe they just prefer a different type of life.

Good shootin' troops

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