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Old 06-25-2004, 04:58 PM
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Did you see him give the ball away once last night?
Yes, I did. He tried to trick too much. Yet, I would have taken Deco out, not Figo. Deco had no proper wing or shot during his game. But Figo also had three great free kick positions and each of them was a joke.

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but at that stage of the game, to be denied a clear and legitimate goal
I heard a lot of people say today that it was a clear goal - for English standards. But the thing is it was no Premier League match but European championship and the rules clearly say it was no goal.

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they have the advantage or a pair of hands over the striker
Yes, but they are also the ones who - once made a mistake - hardly can get it fixed again. A Goalie's fault is usually a goal, a forward's fault ain't necessarily one.
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Old 06-25-2004, 04:59 PM
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and we punished them for it in the last few minutes when Sol scored his header! The linesman gave it and the only one who didn't think it was a goal was the f**king shite ref who had the worst performance of anyone - even Beckham!
lol, that made me laugh. first of all the linesman does not give a goal. he only sais whether the ball was in the goal or not. and everybody saw immediately that it was not correct, i didn't even need the slowmotion for that. (and the slowmotion only proofed that the ref made the correct decision!!)

it was clearly a foul to the keeper from terry. you're not allowed to touch the keeper in the 5m room, and this was more than only "touch him". in other games they even give a free kick for the other team if a defense player would have been fouled like that, or if a forward shores up on the soulder of a defense player to make a header. here it was not only a defense player that was fouled, no, it was the keeper!!

and the most important point: terry was nodding at the ref immediately. not a single player did say anything. nor did the coach. and why all that? because they knew that the ref was right!! and i think it's pretty weak that YOU blame the ref, if the players all did understand his decision!

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The referee should never be allowed to oversee competitive internationals again
just in case you didn't know: the ref was voted the second best ref of this tournament so far, behind collina. this ref was voted the best ref in korea 2 years ago, where they said he did not make a single mistake. before this euro, this ref was called the third best ref in 10 years, having only made one bis mistake in a bid tournament. this ref was overseeing many semi finals and finals in euros, worldcups and champions league! AND he will do it again, because fifa and uefa both said that his decision yesterday was again correct.

if the same thing would have happened on the other side, and they would not have counted a goal from portugal and england would have won in the end, i'm sure you would have said he didn't make mistakes and would have been happy with him.

looks like you can't lose, and have to blame somebody, ignoring the truth completely.
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Old 06-25-2004, 05:00 PM
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if they make a mistake they deserve to be punished for it.
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Old 06-25-2004, 05:05 PM
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I don't know about football, but that's the way it goes. A team loses a match, the fans blame the ref.
A rather generalised opinion wouldn't you say? If you actually watch the majority of games that show teams blaming the referee, about 80-90% of the time, they have a case! If the roles had been reversed and Portugal had been disallowed that last minute goal, I would openly admit that we were fortunate and that Portugal would have been robbed of victory. Not every fan follows their team thinking that they will simply win every game because it's THEIR team and I am one of the more objective fans. However, I do think that we were robbed by the ref's decision and poor performance and as you said, that's football unfortunately! Such major bad decisions should NOT be allowed in a massive sport though, especially football with all it's money! Rugby and Cricket allow video-playback for decisions so why shouldn't football? The time for stamping out bad calls from officials is way overdue and something needs to be done about it to protect teams that are hard-done-by from such decisions IMO!
Oh, come on! it was just a funny comment, not to be taken so seriously! it's *just* football, you know!

I said, I don't know about football so that should have made it very clear that I don't have a clue whether the ref was right or wrong!

But for people who don't like the sport it always seem like that - the ref's to blame when someone's team loses. But, hey, maybe their always right about it. How would I know!
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maybe i have to add, that the guys who can't lose do not deserve to win!

the english team played very well, and they lost the game with honor and could walk from the field proudly. so i'm sad for them, and think they deserved to go further than that. and i also feel with the fans that supported the team honestly and agree (like mike for example - both mikes indeed ) that the better team won yesterday.

but the fans that can only complain about the ref, any say they were robbed, they can't lose and i don't feel sorry for them at all.
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If you actually watch the majority of games that show teams blaming the referee, about 80-90% of the time, they have a case!
then this is an example of the other 10-20%....
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If you actually watch the majority of games that show teams blaming the referee, about 80-90% of the time, they have a case!
then this is an example of the other 10-20%....
Just for the record... I couldn't have said that. I wouldn't have known where to begin. Al credits to RS8MB0R8
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Just for the record... I couldn't have said that. I wouldn't have known where to begin. Al credits to RS8MB0R8
well, if you don't know too much about football, you can watch the reaction of the team and the coach. if the players and the coach accept such an important desicion of the ref without complains and without shouting at him until one of them sees a yellow cart, then the decision normaly is correct. and here they didn't even say ANYTHING!
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Just for the record... I couldn't have said that. I wouldn't have known where to begin. Al credits to RS8MB0R8
well, if you don't know too much about football, you can watch the reaction of the team and the coach. if the players and the coach accept such an important desicion of the ref without complains and without shouting at him until one of them sees a yellow cart, then the decision normaly is correct. and here they didn't even say ANYTHING!
That probably had a lot to do with the fact that Portugal were charging forward on the counter attack!!!! If they started to argue they would have been out of the comp. Pretty straight forward really... Plus don't forget the exact same thing happened to England in 98, so we knew we had to get back and defend rather than cry about somethign which can not be changed. I'm sure after the game the players were furious at the decision.
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Old 06-25-2004, 07:09 PM
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It's not always about how you play in a game to whether you deserve the victory. There wasn't any doubt that Portugal had the better team out last night (even though I hate to say it). We scored a perfectly good goal in added time yesterday; therefore I think England are the ones who deserved the win. Why the **** does it always happen to England? Memories or Argentina in France '98 were flooding back last night and it didn't feel too good.

Was that referee Swiss? I'm sure our 3-0 win over them wouldn't have helped with the decisions made yesterday.

And another thing... couldn't he have moved the penalties over to the other goal? What the hell was going on with the turf on the penalty spot?
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