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Old 01-09-2004, 11:12 PM
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This is going off topic though. I agree we can't treat him differently, he still needs a trial, but this thread started by saying that human rights activists were angry at the soldiers who captured Sadam for taking photos....it's fcuking photos. It's not like they beat him or anything (which they may have done), just a photo. They weren't complaining about him killing people...innocent people.
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Well you made a point. Still I am glad Saddam was stoped before he became like Hitler or any other worse politic person.

And I agree with you that Bush is no good either. He is starting to many wars and thinks America rules the world!
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This is going off topic though. I agree we can't treat him differently, he still needs a trial, but this thread started by saying that human rights activists were angry at the soldiers who captured Sadam for taking photos....it's fcuking photos. It's not like they beat him or anything (which they may have done), just a photo. They weren't complaining about him killing people...innocent people.
I agree? How is taking a photo a violation of human rights??? Not really getting it.
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Old 01-10-2004, 12:31 AM
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This is going off topic though. I agree we can't treat him differently, he still needs a trial, but this thread started by saying that human rights activists were angry at the soldiers who captured Sadam for taking photos....it's fcuking photos. It's not like they beat him or anything (which they may have done), just a photo. They weren't complaining about him killing people...innocent people.
I agree? How is taking a photo a violation of human rights??? Not really getting it.
The Geneva Convention, that the US bring up to protest everytime pics of US prisoners of war are shown, is supposed to stand for everyone.
And it's not just a photo, it's another humiliation. Wether he deserves it or not is another matter. IMO what he deserves is a fair trial. Anything else would be sort of playing his game and going against the peace and democracy for which the US coallition has officially fought for.

And human rights activists were active on the Iraq matter ever since the embargo that killed millions of children was decided after the 1st gulf war.

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Old 01-10-2004, 12:34 AM
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Oh so photo's of him aren't allowed, as it would "humiliate" him, but a video of doctors sticking their fingers in his mouth and fiddling with his beard is OK?
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Oh so photo's of him aren't allowed, as it would "humiliate" him, but a video of doctors sticking their fingers in his mouth and fiddling with his beard is OK?
Did I say that? Any photo of any prisoner of war, which he is, is not to be made public, according to the Geneva Convention.

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Ok. What prevents the government from labelling any of us terrorists like Saddam? Nothing. If they seriously thought it was in their best interest, I could be dragged from my bed in the wee hours of the morning, and any force I could use in my own defense would be the only thing preventing them from doing whatever it was they wanted. They could rummage through my mouth, take whatever pictures they want, and put it all on the news, with the excuse that I was a terrorist. If you think this couldn't happen, you're nuts. They can do it. How would you feel if you were treated like Saddam? Your physical shows up on national television, simply because the government designated you an undesirable (despite the fact that he is). All the justification they need to show are the words "nine-eleven" and "terrorist". If they get away with treating one man like an animal, do you really think they're going to stop there? Do you believe, as a rational human being, that they will step back and say "we will never again treat anyone inhumanely, it was just this one guy we needed to pay back for crimes against his own people". Do you think they'll stop with just one man?! Seriously folks, this is the US government we're talking about. They incinerated a church on falsified drug charges, on US soil. They killed a woman and her son, because her husband wouldn't rat on fellow church members.

As I said before, any power you or I give them is permanent. Name me one federal agency that HASN'T exceeded its purpose. Name me one ammendment in the Bill Of Rights that hasn't been trampled on at some point in history. If we allow the treatment of some people to degrade, our treatment will at some point degrade. If we allow one or two rights to be taken away, we will lose still more and more.

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Saddam should be "pretty tied up" to a splintery wooden chair, naked of course, and doused with cold water every ten minutes. Plus the punishers should blast Bon Jovi's most recent albums 24 hours a day in order to destroy his mind, and take his sanity
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Well you made a point. Still I am glad Saddam was stoped before he became like Hitler or any other worse politic person.
huh? hitler became what he became in a period of a few years. hitler had allies, power and he had also the support of the germans - his own people. saddam had been a dictator for decades in a poor and powerless country with no weapons - as they haven't found anything yet. if he ever had the slightest power that was before the first gulf war. and you're talking me about saddam becoming like hitler? why would he wait all those years to become mighty suddenly and destroy the world? give me a break
please don't let propaganda affect you that much. he was bad indeed but not that dangerous for the world. a society has its own internal mechanisms of 'self arrangement'. if those people were ready to get rid of saddam or any saddam they would do it. they didn't need the americans to bomb them in order to liberate them. i don't know where it's written that powerful countries are supposed to invade and bomb other countries just because they don't like their regimes..? can you tell me?
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If they get away with treating one man like an animal, do you really think they're going to stop there? Do you believe, as a rational human being, that they will step back and say "we will never again treat anyone inhumanely, it was just this one guy we needed to pay back for crimes against his own people". Do you think they'll stop with just one man?!
No, I think they won't stop there...for certain they will do the same to Osama Bin Laden if he's ever caught, along with any other big terrorist or dictator that comes along.

They think because they're the biggest country they can do what they like...hopefully the next president will have an IQ greater than that of a wasp.
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