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choclady · #31 06-19-2004, 05:51 PM

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if you're going by the "an eye for an eye" method you are no better than any of the terrorists

Unfortunately - you are right Jana. That is a tactic that history has shown to be futile. Too bad few people study and read history anymore

Kathleen

i know

it annoys me to read stuff like that. of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but sometimes i really wonder how people can actually think that way

Dawn · #32 06-19-2004, 10:44 PM

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**** Dawn that would literally destroy millions of trillions of dollars

a few points that folk have brought up. The Arab world actually has much less control and we consume much less from them than we did 30 years ago. They're nowhere near asd powerful as they used to be.

Saying that. the very 1st thing I would do is have nothign to do with Israel, let it fend for itself. I'm pretty sure it's tactics would change rapidly when it doesn't have the US standing behind it and apologise to the Arab world.

I wouldn't withdraw troops from anywhere. I genuinely believe that there are troops where they are needed.

As for terrorism... how exactly do you deal with an invisible enemy? That's somethign alot of critics of Bush and Blair seem to forget. This isn't a tiny geographical area like Ulster or the south of Spain, This is the whole world we're talkign about and these people have no solid aims and objectives other than causing as much ahrm and destruction as possible and ultimately, the destruction of the west and our way of life.

I would be alot more ruthless with my treatment of people who are caught and we know they had **** going on. i'm, not talking about folk hitting keywords in text messagesor emails. im talkign people we know are implicated in action or helping them and THEY WOULD be made an example of.

Nothing will stop a man doing something more effectively than putting the fear of God in him.

Jim , money is money , I would pay millions and trillions to prevent terrorism + death.

Dawn

Poverty breeds terrorism and death

cant have a war without money, being kept in one or separate countries would also prevent this .

Most wars I think are caused by jealousy due to money and lifestyle, religous beliefs.

Dawn

mreto · #33 06-20-2004, 12:57 AM

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First of all, i'd stop investing millions into israels "defense" army. Then I'd keep my nose out of countries where it doesn't belong

Good point. Just take ur nose out of others business.

Do you think that one thing alone will stop terrorism? If not, what are your thoughts on other things the US can do to fight terrorism?

this one step would not stop terrorism completely and immediately. but it would ba a huge step forward in the right direction and it sould have been done a long time ago already, now it's almost too late probably.

mreto · #34 06-20-2004, 01:04 AM

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this can change cultures forever....

this is simply a detail, but what you would call "change of culture" is PART of the culture of a country, in fact i think the changes do really DEFINE the culture!

this reminds me of the german spelling reform, where some guys said that the culture would be lost!

Mike · #35 06-20-2004, 02:20 AM

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**** Dawn that would literally destroy millions of trillions of dollars

a few points that folk have brought up. The Arab world actually has much less control and we consume much less from them than we did 30 years ago. They're nowhere near asd powerful as they used to be.

Saying that. the very 1st thing I would do is have nothign to do with Israel, let it fend for itself. I'm pretty sure it's tactics would change rapidly when it doesn't have the US standing behind it and apologise to the Arab world.

I wouldn't withdraw troops from anywhere. I genuinely believe that there are troops where they are needed.

As for terrorism... how exactly do you deal with an invisible enemy? That's somethign alot of critics of Bush and Blair seem to forget. This isn't a tiny geographical area like Ulster or the south of Spain, This is the whole world we're talkign about and these people have no solid aims and objectives other than causing as much ahrm and destruction as possible and ultimately, the destruction of the west and our way of life.

I would be alot more ruthless with my treatment of people who are caught and we know they had **** going on. i'm, not talking about folk hitting keywords in text messagesor emails. im talkign people we know are implicated in action or helping them and THEY WOULD be made an example of.

Nothing will stop a man doing something more effectively than putting the fear of God in him.

Jim , money is money , I would pay millions and trillions to prevent terrorism + death.

Dawn

Poverty breeds terrorism and death

cant have a war without money, being kept in one or separate countries would also prevent this .

Ermm.... South Africa?? Korea??

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Most wars I think are caused by jealousy due to money and lifestyle, religous beliefs.

I believe that the main motivation for war is, and always has been, power. Power through fear, control of resources, control of people

Mike · #36 06-20-2004, 02:23 AM

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First of all, i'd stop investing millions into israels "defense" army. Then I'd keep my nose out of countries where it doesn't belong

Good point. Just take ur nose out of others business.

Do you think that one thing alone will stop terrorism? If not, what are your thoughts on other things the US can do to fight terrorism?

Put quite simply - stop encouraging it.

Examples? If you wouldn't mind, you could give me others besides the war in Iraq and our support of Israel, as I already know how you feel about that encouraging terrorism.

How about the time Iran was about to become a democracy & the US stepped in to prevent it?. But there are a lot of historical reasons. You now have to work on reparing the damage & events like Israel and Iraq are making it worse.

Mike · #37 06-20-2004, 02:27 AM

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. I was aiming that remark at the countries that do not act in a civilized manner and who harbor ther very terrorists that killed over 3,000 people on 9/11 and killed Daniel Pearl, Paul Johnson, and Nicholas Berg. Please don't apologize for me. If I feel I need to apologize, I will do it myself. :P

Will you apologise for the below?? How does that make America look civilised & acting in a civilised manner??

http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

No mike I will NOT apologize for that. I didn't have anything to do with it.

Your country and mine did. I apologise unreservedly.

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Should I try and dig up pics from 9/11 to try and shock people too??
Oh wait, there aren't any pictures because those people were blown into bits!
Oh, but there are pictures of Nick Berg and Paul Johnsons beheading. Should we post that here too??? Gimme a break Mike huh.

Aside from the fact that Iraq was completely unrelated to this - how does this picture do anything to negate terrorists?

And I'm sorry - but weren't you talking about acting civilised?? I asked how that picture made you look in any way civilised. This does nothing to warm people to the US.

Jim Bon Jovi · #38 06-20-2004, 03:38 AM

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**** Dawn that would literally destroy millions of trillions of dollars

a few points that folk have brought up. The Arab world actually has much less control and we consume much less from them than we did 30 years ago. They're nowhere near asd powerful as they used to be.

Saying that. the very 1st thing I would do is have nothign to do with Israel, let it fend for itself. I'm pretty sure it's tactics would change rapidly when it doesn't have the US standing behind it and apologise to the Arab world.

I wouldn't withdraw troops from anywhere. I genuinely believe that there are troops where they are needed.

As for terrorism... how exactly do you deal with an invisible enemy? That's somethign alot of critics of Bush and Blair seem to forget. This isn't a tiny geographical area like Ulster or the south of Spain, This is the whole world we're talkign about and these people have no solid aims and objectives other than causing as much ahrm and destruction as possible and ultimately, the destruction of the west and our way of life.

I would be alot more ruthless with my treatment of people who are caught and we know they had **** going on. i'm, not talking about folk hitting keywords in text messagesor emails. im talkign people we know are implicated in action or helping them and THEY WOULD be made an example of.

Nothing will stop a man doing something more effectively than putting the fear of God in him.

Jim , money is money , I would pay millions and trillions to prevent terrorism + death.

Dawn

Poverty breeds terrorism and death

Poverty and lack of education breeds terrorism. I do not believe that the sole aim of Islam is to breed terrorism but no one can deny that the amount of control it demands over it's followers is phenomenal and it leads to terrorism very easilly as alot of people from Arab countries have a poor standard of education and will not or cannot question what they're being fed.

there's a big reason why Fidel Castro controls the accesability of the internet in Cuba and why the Chinese and Korean governments control their media. Don't let people see the truth or make their own minds up and they follow what they're told.

ugly_queen_from_mars · #39 06-20-2004, 04:36 AM

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there's a big reason why Fidel Castro controls the accesability of the internet in Cuba and why the Chinese and Korean governments control their media. Don't let people see the truth or make their own minds up and they follow what they're told.

lol that's kind of funny saying that about cuba and china while the vast majority of US people don't have the slightest clue about their government's actions.
we have the brightest (american) example on this thread of what propaganda, misinformation and controlling the media can do so why bother talking about cuba and china while the "civilised" america does the same thing to its people?

Mousebounce · #40 06-20-2004, 05:32 AM

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there's a big reason why Fidel Castro controls the accesability of the internet in Cuba and why the Chinese and Korean governments control their media. Don't let people see the truth or make their own minds up and they follow what they're told.

lol that's kind of funny saying that about cuba and china while the vast majority of US people don't have the slightest clue about their government's actions.
we have the brightest (american) example on this thread of what propaganda, misinformation and controlling the media can do so why bother talking about cuba and china while the "civilised" america does the same thing to its people?

Just because people have different views about the situation does not make them in the dark. In this day and age, information is readily available to those who seek it, so propaganda only goes as far as people let it.

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