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So the desert vampire should've gotten a nice cozy jail cell, three square meals a day, cable tv, and a supervised weight room while 22 families have been deprived of their children and those children have been deprived of a chance to grow up?

The problem with life sentences is that A. it's rarely for life and B. the taxpayers have to support the slime of the earth. I do not want to pay for the habitat, food, clothing, and medical care of someone like the desert vampire or Chai Vang (guy who shot six hunters without provocation in WI a few months ago), and forcing me and others to pay for the continued existance of remorseless killers is totally immoral.

If we have to keep them alive, let's airdrop 'em on to Antarctica with a shovel, a box of matches, and a bag of dried beans. I'll VOLUNTEER to pay for those supplies. Or, here's a better idea. Everyone who doesn't believe murderers and rapists should be turned over to their victims/victim's families is welcome to take these scum into their homes and keep them confined in the place of their choosing totally at their own expense.

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So, you don't want to pay for people who got life, but you're willing to do so for the people in death row? Same slime, but the slime in death row cost the tax payers even more money.
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but the slime in death row cost the tax payers even more money.
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but the slime in death row cost the tax payers even more money.
Why's that?
http://www.ncadp.org/fact_sheet3.html

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...=7#From%20DPIC
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Well, thank you, that was interesting. But I think it's clear that someone who faces death is way more eager to stave off his penalty and thus increasing trial costs for example than someone who does not.
Other costs are "system-made" and for sure none that deter me from my pro death penalty point of view. What deters me at times are the moral aspects. I neither completely agree with the US system nor with, beware, China's arbitrariness, but I still believe death penalty can ease a lot of this worlds problems.

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Cases resulting in life imprisonment average around $500,000 each, including incarceration cost.
Man, I wonder if I will have an average amount of money like that for the rest of my life!
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but I still believe death penalty can ease a lot of this worlds problems.
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Well, considering globalisation problems, rich and poor cleft, the millions starving etc. I DO believe there ARE (a lot of) people where the attempt of social rehabilitation or even the idea of them grasping what they did was wrong during their lifelong sentence is utterly useless.
We have a lot of problems on this planet and in my opinion "caring" about ****ed up minds should not be one of them.
I'm not totally against "lifelong". There are cases that are not clear cut, where the deed was in affect or whatever. But there for sure are opposite cases where there's no sensible reason except for the moral aspect of virtually doing the same - kill - to keep the slime alive.
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Well, considering globalisation problems, rich and poor cleft, the millions starving etc. I DO believe there ARE (a lot of) people where the attempt of social rehabilitation or even the idea of them grasping what they did was wrong during their lifelong sentence is utterly useless.
We have a lot of problems on this planet and in my opinion "caring" about **** up minds should not be one of them.
I'm not totally against "lifelong". There are cases that are not clear cut, where the deed was in affect or whatever. But there for sure are opposite cases where there's no sensible reason except for the moral aspect of virtually doing the same - kill - to keep the slime alive.
Well, considering the mentioned moral aspect, how can one still be pro death penalty? I don't think of it as caring more or less for the criminals and I certainly don't think that bigger problems have got anything to do with it.

Considering the facts that death sentences a. cost the tax payer more, b. caused several innocents their lives and c. are racially biassed, I really don't understand why anyone would still prefer it. In the end, the death penalty or putting them away for the rest of their lives both have the same result: the criminal won't bother you, your loved ones or our society anymore.
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So, you don't want to pay for people who got life, but you're willing to do so for the people in death row? Same slime, but the slime in death row cost the tax payers even more money.
I'm dissatisfied with the death penalty in its current state. The losers who populate death row get to file dozens of appeals all of which cost the taxpayers thousands of dollars, and live in relative comfort. IMHO, if you're scheduled to be turned over to the family of your victim, or airmailed to Antarctica, you get one appeal unless something really strange (like jury stacking or government screwing with the evidence) comes up, and then you're on your merry way.

And like I said, government shouldn't be in the business of killing the source of its just powers, so there wouldn't technically be a "death row." Not to mention the fact that I think prison should be maintained at or below the poverty level, so that'd lower the cost real quick.

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So, you don't want to pay for people who got life, but you're willing to do so for the people in death row? Same slime, but the slime in death row cost the tax payers even more money.
I'm dissatisfied with the death penalty in its current state. The losers who populate death row get to file dozens of appeals all of which cost the taxpayers thousands of dollars, and live in relative comfort. IMHO, if you're scheduled to be turned over to the family of your victim, or airmailed to Antarctica, you get one appeal unless something really strange (like jury stacking or government screwing with the evidence) comes up, and then you're on your merry way.

And like I said, government shouldn't be in the business of killing the source of its just powers, so there wouldn't technically be a "death row." Not to mention the fact that I think prison should be maintained at or below the poverty level, so that'd lower the cost real quick.

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