Iran's 'desert vampire' executed

They are not causally connected, no. But just imagine the, granted quite naive, example to put a starving new born from a third world country in Africa into a prison of the US. I would guess that it won't mind an average of $500.000 for the rest of his/her life.
That death penalty is more expensive is like I said "system-caused". The sole penalty itself is not that much of an expense factor. It's what society makes out of it what causes the costs.

That's got hardly anything to do with the idea of a death penalty. You're certainly talking about US laws and their execution and I already said that I am not supportive of it.

But like we already disagreed I DO believe it's got something to do with the grand scheme of things. Expressed very spartanly (?) I would say: we are to many on this planet. Why not wipe the scum out instead of feeding it through?

Aloha !

I don't understand it all very well either. However;

Really good alternatives Adrian. A serial killer kills 15 people, so that would mean that all those families should get together to decide what they should do with the killer? Some of those families already have gotten over their loss and don't want to be confrontated with the killer and all the pain that it brings up again. They just want a fair punishment. Do you think that any of those family's would be satisfied with "airmaling the killer to Antarctica" A family who just lost someone reacts completely different than a family who already got to live with their loss. This is obviously no solution...You are so narrowminded.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

But you just can't compare the two of them. I agree that it's really unfair - a child dying because it has nothing and scum costing the world a sh1tload of money. But the fact that it is unfair isn't a good reason IMO to be pro or con death penalty.

True.

But who are you deciding who's scum and who's not? Who should be 'wiped out' and who not? Where do you draw the line?

Aloha !

In the end it all comes down on one thing. People who are pro death penalty think they are the ones who decide who's scum and who isn't. They think that a killer can not decide who is allowed to live and who isn't, but the one who are pro death penalty are in fact doing exactly the same. Because a killer killed someone, someone else is allowed to kill the killer, which makes them a killer as well. Great solution.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

If u can;t give life to someone, how can u decide u can take the life of other......???

I agree.
This man was a sick barbarian. But what they did was as sick and barbaric as what he did.
This man was horrible and sick and what he did was unforgetable but is this a reason to get down on his level and becoming as barbaric as this sick man. I mean, this is awful, we are humans, civilised people, how can we act like barbarians.
Maybe this man got what his deserved, he was a monster yes...but what's next. he died. they killed him in awful ways... Does that change something, anything, does it fell better then (well actually... who knows. I don't.) This isn't a sacrifice to make the dead come back to life...
I don't know, this is just my noble point of view but I can't undersand that and I wonder if I ever will.
In my mind this is just not normal to have the power to decide if yes or no someone has the right to live or not. I mean, i dunno... who are we to take the responsability and decision of someone's death and keep on conscience that death... how can we stay and act normal, think properly, after have been in part responsable of someone's death. even if this man deserved death... that's just unberable in my mind (well, maybe it's just my mind what is not normal... =p)
The simple fact to know that, only about 30 years ago there was still death penalty here in France by decapitation makes me sick.
I supposed that yeah maybe life sentences is in a way not enough... so I don't know... I don't know where the hell life is going to... I don't know what is right and what is wrong and what we should do... but the only thing I know is that I believe we do not have the right to kill and take the decision to take life from someone...
well well well... that was just my opinion... forget about it.

You want to take it upon yourself to financially support a feral three time violent offender who'd just as soon assault you and murder you with a screwdriver as look at you? Fine. Be my guest. When our prisons start being "prison" and not cinderblock hotels where you can order out to Domino's and get a taxpayer funded college degree, then I'll cease my support of letting families decide the fate of murderers.

Ok, so those families that don't want to deal with it...they don't have to. The others get cart blanche (however that's spelled) when it comes to the murderer's punishment. If none of them want to touch it (and I can't believe that not one family member wouldn't like to execute the guy) he goes to Antarctica. That's fair.

Let me reiterate. You initiate aggression and kill an innocent person, you have put yourself outside of society. Your punishment must fit your crime. Putting you on the taxpayer dole and restricting your freedom of movement inside a nice cozy jail for the next 13 years of your "life" sentence does NOT fit your crime.

Adrian

Personally i agree with all of the anti death penalty things that have been said.

First because of the amount of people he has killed he would probably never get out of jail.

Secondly you and other people are saying that they are being put in a nice cozy jail with TV and things, but what do you expect to happen.?! If they didn't have things to occupy them then there would be more breakouts and riots which would leave more people, including policemen, getting hurt, and would cost more of the tax payers money.

Finally,a lot of people as i have mentioned above are saying that you don't learn anything by locking people up. that would be the same for any crime, not just murder. How do you decide when it's right to kill people? Does a thief also deserve the death penalty?, what about someone who has commited GBH- should they be put to death or just have the same done to them as they did to their victim? If you did that it wouldn't serve as a deterant it woyld probably make them bitter and do it to more people, or even make them so bitter that they turned to murder.

I don't want to decide. Judicature is one of the most difficult things to do and I would not want such responsibility.
Well, where do you draw the line? Who is the judge to decide when someone goes to jail. He is the judge. That's it. Mankind came up with customs, morals and laws... and judges during its evolution and civilization. It isn't one person who came up with what to do. Equally, I am not the one who decides if death penalty is legal. The judge works on consensually found basics, not on his own arbitrariness.
IF these basics would include a legal death penalty there would be no need to question "who are you to decide" because it's not like I invented it. It would just be the way to decide things, just like other laws.

Apart from the moral aspect I could ask you: If you can't guarantee (as a single person) freedom to someone, how can you decide to take it away from him/her and put him/her to jail?

That's the moral aspect I was referring to. But like I said. IF it was legal there would be inset people for it who enforce what has been written down in laws. It's not like *I* came up with it and want to decide over all others.

How can u compare jail sentce to death row??. Once u killed someone there is no way u can bring him/her back even ever u findout that he/she been sentced for false charges but on other hand he/she can always set free.... There is always a hope for jail sentce but not for death penalty...