Israel disgusts me

Jim Bon Jovi · #11 05-26-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ugly_queen_from_mars

israel disgusts you but the US doesn't? interesting

the US government is the only government which doesn't condemn the israelis for their acts and also they help them anyway they can but still i find you supporting the US quite often. like the same things don't happen in iraq as well...

If you actually read what I thought regarding the US and it's ties with Israel then you'd know I'm totally against that too. the only reason Israel exists and is able to run amok is because it has US backign and the only reason it has US backing is because there are alot of Jews with alot of power in the US.

with regards to Mike's post. Not a chance. They';re determined to wipe out Palestine to the point of literally demolishing the place and killing children.

Homes and kids don't shoot soldiers but Israel still attacks them for the simple reason that it's Palestinian property and Palestinian people.

ugly_queen_from_mars · #12 05-26-2004, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi

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Originally Posted by ugly_queen_from_mars

israel disgusts you but the US doesn't? interesting

the US government is the only government which doesn't condemn the israelis for their acts and also they help them anyway they can but still i find you supporting the US quite often. like the same things don't happen in iraq as well...

If you actually read what I thought regarding the US and it's ties with Israel then you'd know I'm totally against that too. the only reason Israel exists and is able to run amok is because it has US backign and the only reason it has US backing is because there are alot of Jews with alot of power in the US.

actually i'm against the theory that the jews have a lot of power in the US and kinda control the white house so i disagree with you. the reason that the US helps israel is because they need a stable base and a powerfull ally in the middle east.
but i still can't understand why you support the war in iraq and what the US does there but you are so strongly against US and israel's policy towards the palestinians. it's all an issue of the US policy in the middle east.

Mousebounce · #13 05-26-2004, 07:30 PM

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actually i'm against the theory that the jews have a lot of power in the US and kinda control the white house so i disagree with you.

I live here, and they do.

One word..Hollywood.

ugly_queen_from_mars · #14 05-26-2004, 08:20 PM

i can't accept that people act as nationalities within a country but only as classes. now if the african americans (in the US) commit more crimes than the whites for example it is because they are in the lower class. now if there is a higher class in the US that acts in some certain way and you call them jews is scientifically inaccurate to say the least. does their dna write 'jews' or what?

joviscout · #15 05-26-2004, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by *ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº*

Well, RELIGION... everywhere you look.

Errr its about land not religion. Seriously

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Keeper · #16 05-26-2004, 10:23 PM

Well, Jews have money - that's why they rule. Not because they're *Jews*. That's why they've been "hated" all throughout history because they're good at making money and that's why they never liked them. As I said on another thread it's not about religion!

*ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº* · #17 05-27-2004, 12:34 AM

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Errr its about land not religion. Seriously

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But it is! It's about the land where Jesus lived that the homeless Palestinians claim to be theirs and vice versa.

mreto · #18 05-27-2004, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ugly_queen_from_mars

the reason that the US helps israel is because they need a stable base and a powerfull ally in the middle east.

no, i don't think that this is the reason. lot's of other bases there that are more stable actually.

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Originally Posted by joviscout

Errr its about land not religion. Seriously

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again i do not agree. if this would not be such an important religious place for both religions then there would not be so much fighting there. and then the state isreal is there because of the religion, otherwiese it would have been placed somewhere else.

mreto · #19 05-27-2004, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Keeper

Well, Jews have money - that's why they rule. Not because they're *Jews*. That's why they've been "hated" all throughout history because they're good at making money and that's why they never liked them.

well i agree for one part and disagree with another. they have a lot of money and that's why they now have quite a lot of power. agree. but the reason why they have a lot of money is not "because they are good at making money", it's because they got rich with running banks etc., which was simply not allowed for christians in the first place. plus they have a religion that gets quite good along with science, so many of them cared a lot more about science than the european chrisitans did. that's why so many famous mathematicians or physicists have been jews. and that's another reason (the mathematics), why they made good money with banks and insurance companies. so there religion is indirect reason for them having a lot of money, so it's also indirect reason for them having power.

ugly_queen_from_mars · #20 05-27-2004, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Keeper

Well, Jews have money - that's why they rule. Not because they're *Jews*. That's why they've been "hated" all throughout history because they're good at making money and that's why they never liked them. As I said on another thread it's not about religion!

you're not saying something different.
jews are good at making money (and rule the world), americans are dumb, english men are gays, spanish are whatever.... is that the case?
so is there a special gene that makes *jews* good at making money or something? this is the same generalisation hitler used to exterminate the jews. or maybe your dna or mine writes 'spanish' or 'greek'? you're not spanish because you have a 'spanish' dna but because you were born in spain and you can change your citizenship if you want to. if you were born in the US you would have the american citizenship no matter your parents' citizenship.
nationalities exist only to serve the idea of the nation state. the states need it not only for legal reasons but also for instilling nationalistic feelings into their citizens so they defend their countries everytime it's needed and work for them.
nationality is only a legal relationship between people and the states and you may have two or none or you can just lose it or change it.
so, saying that there is a higher class that is consisted of rich 'jews' (who's to say this?) that rule the world is far from reality and above all science.

Israel disgusts me

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