Israel disgusts me

Jim Bon Jovi · #31 05-27-2004, 06:17 PM

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It is really great to find out that there are people who still know the truth about what's going on, i am really thrilled to see guys like you, you give me hope in a better tomorrow. Thank you with all of my heart, as a palestenian, and as a human! Rock on!

Not a problem.

ugly_queen_from_mars · #32 05-28-2004, 04:29 AM

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Well, Jews have money - that's why they rule. Not because they're *Jews*. That's why they've been "hated" all throughout history because they're good at making money and that's why they never liked them. As I said on another thread it's not about religion!

you're not saying something different.
jews are good at making money (and rule the world), americans are dumb, english men are gays, spanish are whatever.... is that the case?
so is there a special gene that makes *jews* good at making money or something? this is the same generalisation hitler used to exterminate the jews. or maybe your dna or mine writes 'spanish' or 'greek'? you're not spanish because you have a 'spanish' dna but because you were born in spain and you can change your citizenship if you want to. if you were born in the US you would have the american citizenship no matter your parents' citizenship.
nationalities exist only to serve the idea of the nation state. the states need it not only for legal reasons but also for instilling nationalistic feelings into their citizens so they defend their countries everytime it's needed and work for them.
nationality is only a legal relationship between people and the states and you may have two or none or you can just lose it or change it.
so, saying that there is a higher class that is consisted of rich 'jews' (who's to say this?) that rule the world is far from reality and above all science.

Well then tell me why Jews have been hated through centuries? And I won't buy the "they-killed-Jesus" thing.

Obviously that was a generalization, but as things stand I think a huge amount of money is on their hands.

Plus, I wasn't talking of Jews as a nationality but as a 'race' more like. And then there are certain genes that do apply. Again, not saying they all are rich, but for the most part they are. Why else would they have a lobby in the US?

hm... not only jews have been hated through history. during the nazi years it was the jews, now it's the arabs. in greece now is the albanians, in germany the turks or whatever. "we" need to hate the "other" and we all need our scapegoat. also don't forget that by creating an image of the "evil other" we justify our acts towards them. for example the anti- arab racism nowadays exists for a reason and can be openly expessed by everyone. because arabs are supposed to be "evil" and they have an evil religion and culture and want to destroy the good and peaceful western countries. something relevant hitler did with the jews. now all that is left is the jewish stereotype (rich jews with beards and all that).
nowadays some jews (of course along with other nationalities- ethnic groups- you name it) may be infuential in the elite groups in the US but that doesn't mean that there's a jewish lobby consisted of rich jews who can control the policy of the most powerful country in the world. there are other interests who can do that and they are much more influential.
israel depends on the US and until the US says it's over israel will be a reliable ally to them.
it's all about international relations and politics and using old stereotypes is not very wise imo.

joviscout · #33 05-28-2004, 05:02 PM

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Erm no isreal lost the land at some point i think during the nazi war. Then they reclaimed it again. IMO they had every right to reclaim it.

Ever heard of Palestine? Where's this country today?

If it was a country built on another countrys land why should it have any right to make any sort of claim on it?.

*ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº* · #34 05-29-2004, 01:01 AM

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If it was a country built on another countrys land why should it have any right to make any sort of claim on it?.

Well, that's exactly what they're fighting about.

Tooka · #35 05-31-2004, 02:13 PM

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Erm no isreal lost the land at some point i think during the nazi war. Then they reclaimed it again. IMO they had every right to reclaim it.

Ever heard of Palestine? Where's this country today?

What are you talking about? Are you two aliens?
Really...
The Nazi War?!?!?! That was in 1939!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you never heard of Palestine because maybe it is occupied?!!!
Maybe because the stole the real name!

NOW I KNOW THERE ARE ALIENS AMONG US FOR SURE!!
and maybe the war with isreal is another episoide of STAR WARS!!!
DAMN IT

*ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº* · #36 06-01-2004, 03:25 PM

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What are you talking about?

Israel and Palestine, what the topic is about, what else???

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Are you two aliens?

I am not.

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Really...
The Nazi War?!?!?! That was in 1939!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I haven't said one word about Nazi war. And I f*cking know when it was!

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And you never heard of Palestine because maybe it is occupied?!!!
Maybe because the stole the real name!

Re-read what I said and maybe you get what I was trying to say. I KNOW why I haven't heard of a land called Palestine! That was my whole point!

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NOW I KNOW THERE ARE ALIENS AMONG US FOR SURE!!
and maybe the war with isreal is another episoide of STAR WARS!!!
DAMN IT

Thank you.

Israel disgusts me

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