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I actually thought about this the other week.

K so jesus died for all of our sins so I can basically do whatever the **** i want providing I believe in God and Jesus?

Come on people
defnetly not, you can't go to heaven just coz ur christan mind you, you have tto be real christan and have to walk litarly his path to get there.
Okay, another one then: say I am a devote Christian, I go to church every Sunday, I pray to God every day and I follow him to the letter, however I beat my spouse senseless every night too, after I have beaten my spouse I beg God for forgiveness.. does this mean I get it? Will I still go to Heaven? Am I a good person?
then no use, it is not only going to church or praying it is alos how u treat others. and how u treat ur enemy.
But I ask for forgiveness, isn't that valid? I thought if I ask for forgiveness my sins are forgiven and I am reinstated as it were..
Defnetly yes, but only your changed person and aks forgiveness with true mind, you can't fake God you know.
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so you have to be a good person for it to work mike

but then again what if you're a good person but aren't religious?

I'm not claiming to be an angel by any stretch fo the imagination but I'm a good person as are many people here who do not follow religion.

where do we stand in religions grand scheme of things?
You need to both or else it has no use. If u really good person and ur non-believer in God, then how can u expect God to me maercy on you?.And same apply for other way around also. For me u need to have good balance between both.
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I was pointing out that I'm good but I don't believe in God Mike.

I'm not particularly worried about going to hell considering i don't believe it exists but by your reason I would go there for not believing and accepting God.

It's more to do with your beliefs than mine.
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I was pointing out that I'm good but I don't believe in God Mike.

I'm not particularly worried about going to hell considering i don't believe it exists but by your reason I would go there for not believing and accepting God.

It's more to do with your beliefs than mine.
if one goes to hell for not beliving in god, doesnt that make god a selfish and ignorant being, a spolit brat who wants every1 to love him?

hyperthetical of course.
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I was pointing out that I'm good but I don't believe in God Mike.

I'm not particularly worried about going to hell considering i don't believe it exists but by your reason I would go there for not believing and accepting God.

It's more to do with your beliefs than mine.
if one goes to hell for not beliving in god, doesnt that make god a selfish and ignorant being, a spolit brat who wants every1 to love him?

hyperthetical of course.
yup.

a bit like myself really cept I don't have the power to condemn people to an eternity of pain.



















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Old 03-19-2004, 12:27 AM
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I was pointing out that I'm good but I don't believe in God Mike.

I'm not particularly worried about going to hell considering i don't believe it exists but by your reason I would go there for not believing and accepting God.

It's more to do with your beliefs than mine.
if one goes to hell for not beliving in god, doesnt that make god a selfish and ignorant being, a spolit brat who wants every1 to love him?

hyperthetical of course.
yup.

a bit like myself really cept I don't have the power to condemn people to an eternity of pain.




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I'm still really interested in what youy believe in with respects to a higher being and stuff.

i know you're really spiritual and if you wear a turban I'm thinking you're Sikh but then again maybe I'm talking shite and just being an ignorant ****

so whats your stance on the whole concept jag?
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I'm still really interested in what youy believe in with respects to a higher being and stuff.

i know you're really spiritual and if you wear a turban I'm thinking you're Sikh but then again maybe I'm talking shite and just being an ignorant ****

so whats your stance on the whole concept jag?
well yr not being ignorant in thinking im sikh, its actually refreshing for someone not to think im a muslim armed with a bag full of bombs...

well yr right i am spiritual, and over the past few years i have become more spiritual then religious...i dont see much harm in saying it but i am a shaman and im sure you have a vague idea of what that is.

well as for my stance...from what i have seen and heard from my own experiences, there is a afterlife...and u can take it from me that your butt wont get burnt in hell just cos u dont believe in this that and the other...i was never too sure what to believe till i actually saw and felt what is past our phsyical life, this shell of ours which holds our soul....illl talk more if i aint bored u
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definetely man talk away.

I love hearing stuff like this.

Gives me another perspective to look at things from and you're a really intriguing guy with respect to your spiritual side.

Since I done higher philosophy it total threw out pretty much most of my pre concieved ideas of what I believed and your take on things may very well do that again.
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well im not sure how much philosphy courses deal with spirituality, did u ever read up on Freud and his concepts of dreams and so forth? im not sure how much you know of things like vision quests, they are a gateway to the spiritual world, and i really recommend u check it out...also check out shamans, the whole thing of 'medicine man' is quite steroetypical but not totally far fetched.

from shamans, yes i am one, each shaman is quite different form the other, im more someone who heals the soul, not their physical state...i also sense things, emotions, thoughts, and can see some foresight into the future...i also can communicate with spirits....

one thing that needs to be recognised i have found, is patience...wot seems eternity to man, is just a step in the spirit world...also the creator doesnt phsycial get involved in human life....and ive been told this by certain 'beings' (lets just keep it like that for now) he will give a person love and compassion, but whether they choose to abide by it is thier choice, not the creator...hence so much trouble in life...it seems all life is about choice...
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