Kerry VS Bush, who and why

tell you what boys. **** the refugee's

help out the working man ie the people who are out grafting for a living.

ROTFL...and that only happens here? Ask Saddam about that. There's a list somewhere on the net listing who he paid off. Interesting thing is that the majority of the list hailed from Europe.

Excuse me, Ice, but I believe you fall into the "ignorant and dumb" category if you really think that Kerry is aiming for a democratic society. He's a politician, saying what he needs to in order to win. If he gets into office he'll show his true colors soon enough.

Kerry a Communist? No. Check out what modern communist parties around the world stand up for and you'll see he's still a right winger.

Ponrauil

And who would pay for them? Ask the British how well the public transport has been working since the railways were sold to a private company. You really need to study economy.


I'm glad I amuse you, but I was still right.

Basically yes, but that wouldn't work. It's not as simple. Taxes are a great way to equal the opportunities, and that's the reason I don't bitch about them.

As for a perfect world, communism on paper looks great. But because of people like you it would never work in practice. That's why I prefer the system most European countries have.


And that's again where you're wrong. Kerry's politics are far from being communistic and the term isn't applied to any counrty in the world. Name five of the "various communistic countries" you're referring to.

No, I'm just too tired to argue with your "arguments" that clearly show you have no idea how the economy works, no knowledge of the people living in near poverty, about discrimination or immigrants. You live in your own little world and are totally ignorant to other people. Like I said, I would really love to see you end up in a situation where you would have to depend on others. And I'm not talking about your daddy now.


Then shut the **** up and enjoy what you've got. Many people have it worse and still aren't complaining about taxes, which, BTW you haven't even paid yet.

I'd like to see that happen. Show me one incident where someone's been threatened with violence because he didn't pay taxes.


Yep. You don't seem to understand that not everybody has it as good as you. They way you think, most of the people would die from lack of health care and the rest who'd survive would end up as scavengers because they didn't have money for education, thus didn't get a job and so couldn't do anything but sleep under the bridges and hope it didn't rain.

Housing and food, yes. Anything else isn't necessary so if you want it, you work for it. And there ought to be rules to follow, to get the support you'd have to fill a certain criteria.

True, but that wouldn't work either. That's called communism and it's been tested in the late Soviet Union. It didn't work. And I guess you know why, after all, you're so well read.


It doesn't. Equality does. If minorities don't get into schools there must be a reason to it. What is the reason? They're stupid? Ignorant? Slow? Nope. It's because the society is unequal. So, the quotas are there to help make the future society more equal. When the society is truly equal, you don't need quotas. Untill then, you do.

I'm pretty sure you're against women-quotas too?

I've already told you why good grades aren't accesible to everyone. If you choose to ignore that, it's your problem, not mine.


Why couldn't the refugees be the working men?


WTF? What has that got to do with anything? Yes, it happens in many places, esp. in underdeveloped countries like Iraq and the third world. I'm sure you'd rate US as one, too? The fact that Saddam payed some companies doesn't have anything to do with this discussion.


Ice

I'm not talking about the Kerry-America, I'm talking about his politics. Does anyone really believe the politicians anyway? But the things he is saying sound good and fair. And they're not communistic, like Adrian said. This is NOT about what WILL happen, it's about what's being said. Does anyone remember what W said? How much of that has happened?

Yep.

Ice

I'm not arguing with you anymore, Ice. You're just being rude. You seem to think that if I don't hold your opinions I'm right-next-door to worthless and you keep putting words in my mouth, such as I want the lower income brackets to die, that I'm some kind of racist, and nonsense like that. I have conducted myself in a civil manner, and beyond your various insults, you keep stating that you want me to be put in a financially and or life-threatening situation (like inadequate medical treatment). I do not wish the same on you.

Adrian

Ice: nationalisation is a great idea.

the railways are alot better than what they were and do you know why/ because when profit needs to be made and people can actually get fired when they don't do their job propoerly, things actually get done.

I hope the next thing that get s nationalised is the prison system.

If you think that taxes are bad and that everyone should pay for their own health care and education, like you said, that's just what you are.

That seems to be the only way you'd start to understand some of the realities. If you think the public health-care is inadequate, then why do you want to force people to use it, if you wouldn't?

Ice

But should railways or prison systems be about profits?
IMO they should be about safety and efficiency, two criteria that are not priorities in a lot of private companies.

Ponrauil