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Old 07-07-2004, 01:49 AM
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But are men and women really equal according to the Koran?
i believe they r only equal by name, or the islamic governments make so much limits for women.
then its not 'islamic' then is it. you cant seem to differentiate between culture and religion
i think i should tell you that im a Muslim, and i live in an Islamic country... women rights is equal in Islam (except abou the Veil.) to men, its the islamic governments that have made thousands of limits for women.
just because a country is deemed 'islamic' doesnt make it so. look at Turkey- its an islamic country doesnt stop it from being a complete arse does it?
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We have discussed this a million times. Every day in schools, universities, working places etc... we as muslims find ourselves obliged to defend ourselves, and to explain our beliefs, it's so unfair it makes me sick!!!

Usually i go through this in a calm rational manner, but no, not this time, i really had it with you, with my teachers, with my foriegn friends, ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE HURTING ME AND ANY MUSLIM WHO IS READING THIS!!!

It's not the discussion or the debate or whatever, no! It's the unbelievable lack of knowledge you guys submit your opinions to! How can anyone of you dare to comment on something he doesn't really understand, I don't have to explain anymore!!! I don't want to be in the guilty/not guilty corner anymore, stop it, read the books, ALL THE BOOKS, see the media, ALL THE MEDIA. You are subject to the bigest and most active brain wash in history! Yeah, excuse my frankness, you are surely more developped as a society, you have the technology, you have the theorems about science and philosophy and psychology... but you still need to search for the truth. It is really unjustifiable the way you treat us, all we get from you is ignorance, then accusation, and finally punishment, Yes, your more developped societies are brutal, they are killing us everyday, everywhere, you can't do that to dog without getting a payback, it's natural!

There is a problem with our societies, in fact there are problems, but I'm sure we can solve them ALONE, the way you interfere is wrong, you know why? Because you DON"T KNOW, from the youngest person here to the president of the United States, you don't know, and yet you act as it you are the all knowing. As a civilized human being, the first thing you don't do is to generalize, I don't generalize about your society, there many people who have the knowledge, there are those who even stand up against their own societies, but, it is all the same way we here stand against our societies. Evil gets the attention, its a fact, here or there, evil causes controversies, debates, material for the media, but never the truth. that is up to you to find yourselves, to me, no more defenses are available, no more explanations are tolerated, I'm sick of this and I have nothing more to say.

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Old 07-07-2004, 03:59 PM
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We have discussed this a million times. Every day in schools, universities, working places etc... we as muslims find ourselves obliged to defend ourselves, and to explain our beliefs, it's so unfair it makes me sick!!!

Usually i go through this in a calm rational manner, but no, not this time, i really had it with you, with my teachers, with my foriegn friends, ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE HURTING ME AND ANY MUSLIM WHO IS READING THIS!!!

It's not the discussion or the debate or whatever, no! It's the unbelievable lack of knowledge you guys submit your opinions to! How can anyone of you dare to comment on something he doesn't really understand, I don't have to explain anymore!!! I don't want to be in the guilty/not guilty corner anymore, stop it, read the books, ALL THE BOOKS, see the media, ALL THE MEDIA. You are subject to the bigest and most active brain wash in history! Yeah, excuse my frankness, you are surely more developped as a society, you have the technology, you have the theorems about science and philosophy and psychology... but you still need to search for the truth. It is really unjustifiable the way you treat us, all we get from you is ignorance, then accusation, and finally punishment, Yes, your more developped societies are brutal, they are killing us everyday, everywhere, you can't do that to dog without getting a payback, it's natural!

There is a problem with our societies, in fact there are problems, but I'm sure we can solve them ALONE, the way you interfere is wrong, you know why? Because you DON"T KNOW, from the youngest person here to the president of the United States, you don't know, and yet you act as it you are the all knowing. As a civilized human being, the first thing you don't do is to generalize, I don't generalize about your society, there many people who have the knowledge, there are those who even stand up against their own societies, but, it is all the same way we here stand against our societies. Evil gets the attention, its a fact, here or there, evil causes controversies, debates, material for the media, but never the truth. that is up to you to find yourselves, to me, no more defenses are available, no more explanations are tolerated, I'm sick of this and I have nothing more to say.

Thank you for reading!
I missed the part where this was an attack on islam, people were merely pointing out that IN OUR SOCIETIE'S, hardcore Islam doesn't work or integrate.

If someone is refusing to go to classes in school because Islam disagrees with it or refuses to attend because they refuse to wear the schools issued Islamic dress then we're fully justified to form opinions.
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