tom, your comment leads me to a very sad point i had to witness today. there was this show on tv (stefan raab) and he was organising a band contest between two bands. he said whichever band wins will play at a big festivals with stars like ... (then he thought about it) "Bon Jovi". two seconds later he corrected himself and said "No, not Bon Jovi, they are too soft". I got so angry, i actually started screaming at the telly.... but thats off the point. what i mean to say is, bon jovi have turned into a pop band in most people's eyes. so you are on a pop group board talking about a pop group. hope that clears it up for you :P