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but he hasn't been proven innocent.

He's been found not guilty ----- VERY different from 'proven innocent'. A jury can never prove that someone is innocent. All they can decide whether or not there is evidence enough to find him guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Simply because there is still reasonable doubt does not mean he is innocent.
yes thats right, thats called the legal system, and the same for every single person tried in court.

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Not sure how things work in your country, but this is how it is in the US - now stop saying he's been proven innocent cause that makes you look like a FOOL!!!
drop the uk vs usa banter mate, this thread is nothing to do with it
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Have you ever wondered why, if Mj were a paedophile, that only a few cases have actually made the press? All the hundreds and hundreds of kids that have been round to Neverland, including many orphans and terminally ill kids, and there are only several cases that arise, doesnt sound like the behaviour of a paedophile to me.
You know kids don't go about saying it out loud. Sometimes it's not until they're adults that it all surfaces.

And if MJ had molested one child that doesn't mean he'd do that to every single child that he saw around.

I really don't know if he was guilty or not but I think you're taking it all too personally.
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Some people need really to asume that MJ is innocent, and he doesn't do anything.

Now leave him alone. He's already promised that he'll never share their bed with a kid anymore, he'll close Neverlad for strangers, and he's never will do anything that put him in a a bad situation.
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Have you ever wondered why, if Mj were a paedophile, that only a few cases have actually made the press? All the hundreds and hundreds of kids that have been round to Neverland, including many orphans and terminally ill kids, and there are only several cases that arise, doesnt sound like the behaviour of a paedophile to me.
so paedophiles molest every child left alone in their company? you have absolutely no idea. on this basis, every homosexual male is attracted to and has sex with every male he is in the same room as. ridiculous.
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hundreds upon hundreds of kids have been to Neverland, im sure if he were a paedophile, he'd find more than two kids "attractive".
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hundreds upon hundreds of kids have been to Neverland, im sure if he were a paedophile, he'd find more than two kids "attractive".
enough to build a close relationship with them and molest them?
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Not sure how things work in your country, but this is how it is in the US - now stop saying he's been proven innocent cause that makes you look like a FOOL!!!
drop the uk vs usa banter mate, this thread is nothing to do with it
I have no idea what you are on about, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt, since you seemed to confuse 'not guilty' with 'innocent' --- instead of calling you a fool, which is what you like to do.


As far as the number of kids visiting MJ. What an ignorant statement! Do you think pedophiles molest EVERY single child they come in contact with? Do you think rapists, rape every girl they ever go out with or encounter? Not sure where you got that idea from, but you need to get yourself a bit more educated...
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yes thats right, thats called the legal system, and the same for every single person tried in court.
And the legal system is faultless isn't it?! Anyone who denies the fact that the legal systems in the US (and the UK for that matter) are shockingly outdated and subject to twisted interpretation and manipulation by scummy lawyers, are either blind or stupid. Criminals get off lightly all the time with piss-poor sentences and slaps on the wrists with a stern word - it's ridiculous!

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Now leave him alone. He's already promised that he'll never share their bed with a kid anymore, he'll close Neverlad for strangers, and he's never will do anything that put him in a a bad situation.
Oh, OK, that's alright then - if he's said sorry, he shouldn't go to jail! WTF?!?!

Since I imagine a lot of murderers and rapists also claim that they'll be good boys and not hurt anyone again, we should let them go too shouldn't we? I mean, that would only be fair wouldn't it?
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Some people need really to asume that MJ is innocent, and he doesn't do anything.

Now leave him alone. He's already promised that he'll never share their bed with a kid anymore, he'll close Neverlad for strangers, and he's never will do anything that put him in a a bad situation.
you'd have thought the Chandler case woulda maybe enlightened him to the fact that sharing a bed with kids isn't acceptable no mater what else it involves....

does he molest everyone he's came in contact with? no. is it very likely that hes molested a handful of them? i think so, based on his actions and statements im not alone in this opinion.

as far as being innocent. as has been mentioned before, innocent and not guilty are 2 very different things. Most big gangsters who are brought to trial get off through various methods as do cops and other authority figures. Doesn't mean they aren't guilty.
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some of whom had sex in bed with Jackson being in the same bed , sounds like nudity in their family was very open minded and accepted.

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sounds like sexual abuse to me.
in those days housing space was limited and it was considered normal to have sex whilst other members of your family were in the room. Bit like kids not being related getting off with each other at parties etc, thats not considered sexual abuse is it.

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Just because something is considered normal among pedophiles, child abusers and morons, doesn't make it actually 'normal'!

Sexual conduct on or between children IS sexual abuse. I thought you worked in that field?
just because space is limited, doesn't mean one needs to subject children to sexual abuse. Because some people find it normal, doesn't make it right either, nor does it NOT make it abuse.

Sexual abuse comes in many shapes and forms, sex between children is one of them as it always is non-consentual. Kids getting off at parties - is still considered sexual abuse if they are indeed children. I thought you worked in that field?
I wasnt talking about any type of sexual conduct between children. I was talking about a load of brothers(jacksons) sharing a room linited space and therefore nudity was much more relaxed perhaps. Some of those brothers brought their girlfriends in the room and had sex with them, they werent tiny children at this point !

As to kids getting off at parties Im not talking about 12 year olds Im talking about consenting teenagers, if teeenage parties now warrants as sexual abuse then that is extreme !

I do work with people that have been sexual abused and those that self harm .

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