More reason to praise the EU

Let m help u out

http://www.statewatch.org/asylum/obserasylum3.htm

"animals", "pieces of driftwood", "cunts"... Am I the only one hearing racism here?


Ponrauil

What's wrong with asylum seekers and people wanting a chance to get a better life anyway?

It would be quite unfair if people had to stay where they were born just because!

If they are willing to work and pay taxes etc. then there is nothing wrong with asylum seekers. However, if getting themselvesa better life means living off the state with my tax money, then there is a difference.

Tash

But since that's impossible to find out I belive in letting them in and if then they only waste someone else's money, then find a way so that they won't do that. But even if I don't think it's right for them to go to a couintry to just do basically nothing and get benefits in exchange... I still think it's worse to let them die in wars or starve.

Because they are not british. they are impure! :P

That is an ideal situation, but we don't live in an ideal world. Once they are in a country it is hard to get them out again. Also there should be a way to verify if they are indeed political asylum seekers or economical. I agree that everyone should have a chance, but instead of letting them come to wherever, we should try to address the problem, i.e. their country instead of letting them stream in to every conutry where it is economically better. In addition I have to say that Holland, for example, is full enough. There are 16 million people here in a country which is 3 times smaller than Ireland. There is no more room. There is hardly any funding or benefits for the Dutch, let alone the non-Dutch. The people who are Dutch should be helped first and that's where my tax money should go.

Tash

I agree the problem should be addressed in their countries and try to get the better of them. But as long as that doesn't happen I don't think it's fair to make them stay in their country.

Plus in most cases these immigrants do the jobs the natives don't want to do and thus help the country get better. Of course there are also maffias and stuff, but there are also maffias and stuff among natives.

As for the natives being helped first... well I don't really know about that. Some of them are also quite cheeky... I would go for helping those who need it the most, wherever they come from.

This may be a utopia, but we should always strive for perfection. Then the worse results always seem to be the better ones (if that makes any sense )

True they do the jobs that the "natives" won't, but if there is no more room, I don't think they should be let in. Letting them in, doesn't solve any problems. Most of the time, even when the situation has improved in theire country they don't want to go back. They don't get social security in their country, jeez, they'd be stupid to go back, I know I wouldn't.
I can give you so many examples of things that happen here and it isn't pretty. It is ridiculous that in the end, the Dutch become the second class citizens and they get all the help. I know that I am generalising and I also know there are some genuine cases of political asylum seekers, but honestly 9 out of 10 claim political asylum, but it is economical. And yes, a few rotten apples have spoilt it for the rest of them. But I don't think that I should be paying for someone in this country who doesn't have a job and has no intention of getting a job, but sits around and complains that he doesn't have a fully furnished 3 bedroom appartment!

Tash

I can perfectly understand what you mean, Tash. You know I can't really talk about how things stand in the Netherlands. It's just that people sometimes forgets that these immigrants are people as well, and some of them (except for the rotten apples) are only trying to get a second chance, are only striving after a better life.

It's a very complex subject, and I don't think I know enough about it as to discuss about it. Those were just my two cents