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They've started it in Holland.. don't know how well it is enforced though.

if you go to Islamic countries you can only dress a certain way and have to adopt to their culture , so why are they surprised when they come here and we ask them to wear certain clothing.

I think with the terrorism as it is we cannot afford to allow people to wear veils.

Dawn

wtf? seriously dawn what do veils have anything at all to do with terrorism?


the point here is that the woman is practicing her religion (which is protected by human rights laws and the geneva convention if i'm not mistaken) for all we know she could sit on her arse watching eastenders and do every other thing like us but wearing a veil is part of her beliefs.

you're a christian, how would you feel if people told you you weren't allowed to pray or wear a cross on a necklace? even worse, what would you think if someone inextricably linked you wearing a cross or crucifix with being a terrorist? there's been many more cases of christian terrorist attacks in britain than islamic terrorist attacks......

I second this.

The world needs a little more understanding.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...395178,00.html

Gives a very safe feeling, vailse and burqa's doesn't it?


Nowhere in the Koran does it say they have to wear this, infact it's very unclear what the scripture exactly says.
The muslim's themselfs say/feel its a religiouse thing.
So it's more of a "we feel" than a "it's written"
This makes it more a cultural thing than a religious one .. right?

the lockerbie bomber used a suitcase to smuggle a bomb onto a plane, should we not be allowed to check cases onto planes?

the fact that the cops still caught the guy says quite a bit.

as for the koran saying they don't have to, do you know this for a fact? as with th ebible or any other religious text, it can be read and interpreted many different ways and if some sections of islam believe it says women should wear veils, isn't that valid?

are those the only two choices available? I think not. Why are people so offended if someone doesn't dress like them? Idiotic. Get over it. Perhaps your (not Russ') clothing style offends me too .... who cares?


I don't see how a dress code at the work place will make one lose their identity. Surely anybody should be able to wear what they like in their leisure but the workplace may call for a certain dress code. Whether you like it or not. I am a jeans and t-shirt girl but have to wear suits and dress pants at work. I don't like it, but I don't think I just tossed out my idendity when I wear clothes that are culturally more appropriate for the workplace I am at. If I was a construction worker, I would have to wear different clothes - whether they are my style or not. If I prefer to wear a veil but nobody understands what I am saying, I clearly am not accomplishing the tasks I was hired for. I either need to change what needs changing or find a job that is more conducive to the clothing style that is so vital for me.

As for the last question: Yes, I do think people need to be a bit more flexible and accomodate people that are not exactly like them. Whether that is clothing style or word choices. We are all different and we need to learn to live together - there is noone to say one way is the right way. If I move to another country legally, I have just as much right to be and act the way I want to as the person who was born there. Get over it. You ain't so great yourself. (you the people who bitch about immigrants and their 'differences').

Because we are a free country, Dawn. We are educated and our countries are not dictated by ONE religion (supposedly). We have rights and freedom and choices. We treasure diversity and preach tolerance and acceptance. At least that is why we go and kill the people in veils, ain't it?

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Of all the terrorists I've seen on TV, I don't think any of them wore a veil? Am I incorrect on this? Do you have different sources?

Jim , certain countries do not allow christains to read a bible or pray !!!!

Im not saying she should change her religious practices , but I am not aware the veils have to be worn as a religious statement , they are a choice. If certain choices can be dangerous to others then this choice should be taken away.

Miss BJ left a link showing why veils can be dangerous there are many more stories like this of people abusing the use of the veil... people can even wear hoodies anymore as people abused this, so the choice has been removed for safety reason this is why I dont agree with the veil being worn in public. It is unsafe as we cannot see who is behind the veil, a crash helmet cant be worn into a bank... neither should a veil, any form of clothing that obstructs the face can potentially be abused by criminals .

Dawn

Amen to that. I know the Dutch can bitch a lot about the immigrants (among other things, we're just a bitchin' nation), but 'we' aren't much different when we are the immigrants; we also try to hang on to our culture when we're living abroad and hang out with Dutch expats and things like that. At least those are some of the things that people complain about around here.

Last year or so, some minister put forth a proposition that everyone in The Netherlands should talk Dutch in public (which actually meant that arabic people shouldn't be allowed anymore to talk in their native language in public). Some people actually backed this, since they thought it was highly annoying that they couldn't understand a word from other people's conversations. WTF??

**** you, those are private conversations which you have nothing to do with to begin with.

Some people are just moronic.