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Old 11-16-2003, 06:50 PM
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Home Secretary David Blunkett has refused to grant diplomatic immunity to armed American special agents and snipers travelling to Britain as part of President Bush's entourage this week.
In the case of the accidental shooting of a protester, the Americans in Bush's protection squad will face justice in a British court as would any other visitor, the Home Office has confirmed.

The issue of immunity is one of a series of extraordinary US demands turned down by Ministers and Downing Street during preparations for the Bush visit.

These included the closure of the Tube network, the use of US air force planes and helicopters and the shipping in of battlefield weaponry to use against rioters.


In return, the British authorities agreed numerous concessions, including the creation of a 'sterile zone' around the President with a series of road closures in central London and a security cordon keeping the public away from his cavalcade.

The White House initially demanded the closure of all Tube lines under parts of London to be visited during the trip. But British officials dismissed the idea that a suicide bomber could kill the President by blowing up a Tube train. Ministers are also believed to have dismissed suggestions that a 'sterile zone' around the President should be policed entirely by American special agents and military.

Demands for the US air force to patrol above London with fighter aircraft and Black Hawk helicopters have also been turned down.

The President's protection force will be armed - as Tony Blair's is when he travels abroad - and around 250 secret service agents will fly in with Bush, but operational control will remain with the Metropolitan Police.

The Americans had also wanted to travel with a piece of military hardware called a 'mini-gun', which usually forms part of the mobile armoury in the presidential cavalcade. It is fired from a tank and can kill dozens of people. One manufacturer's description reads: 'Due to the small calibre of the round, the mini-gun can be used practically anywhere. This is especially helpful during peacekeeping deployments.'

Ministers have made clear to Washington that the firepower of the mini-gun will not be available during the state visit to Britain. In return, the Government has agreed to close off much of Whitehall during the visit - the usual practice in Britain is to use police outriders to close roads as the cavalcade passes to cause minimal disruption to traffic.

A Home Office spokeswoman said: 'Negotiations between here and the US have been perfectly amicable. If there have been requests, they have not posed any problems.'

An internal memo sent to Cabinet Office staff and leaked to the press this weekend urged staff to work from home if at possible during the presidential visit. Serious disruption would be caused by 'the President Bush vehicle entourage requesting cleared secured vehicle routes around London and the security cordons creating a sterile zone around him'.

Meanwhile, negotiations are continuing between police and demonstrators about the route of the march. Representatives of the Stop the War Coalition will meet police at Scotland Yard tomorrow to discuss whether protesters will be able to march through Parliament Square and Whitehall. Spokesman Andrew Burgin said he hoped for 'a good old-fashioned British compromise'.
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Old 11-16-2003, 06:52 PM
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They wanted to close the tube????

I'd pass on Bush being there if this is what it takes....

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Old 11-16-2003, 06:54 PM
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i'd find it really hard to fight the urge to unload a round into some greenpeacers from the top of St Pauls too so i suppose it's for the best.
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Old 11-16-2003, 06:55 PM
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I cant believe what i have just read!

One thing, if hes that bothered about security he may as well stayed at home!
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i'd find it really hard to fight the urge to unload a round into some greenpeacers from the top of St Pauls too so i suppose it's for the best.
Greenpeace is a real problem for you, huh?

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Old 11-16-2003, 08:22 PM
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i just find most people like greenpeace really condascending and to me it pretty much amounts to them sayign what i think is better than you. alot of the people in these things just want something to protest about no matter what it is.
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Sorry, Jim.. can you explain the problem with Greenpeace again.. I really don't get what you mean...

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and i'm pretty sure there'd be hell to pay if there was an attack (which lets face it if ur wanting to do something big this would be the time to do it) and lots of people died because Bush had decided he'd be safe enough walking around with a baseball bat.

if i was in london just now i know out of the 2 scenarios what one i'd want most.
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If they wanted to "do something big" I doubt they'd go gunning for Bush. My guess is they'd use a full oil truck or a mid-sized plane, probably a privately owned one.

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That was all one big pumch line.
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