Outrageous

I know I've missed most of this debate, so I won't comment on the first post, even though there is a lot I'd like to bring up, I'm sure other's have in the 6 pages of this thread.....

Maybe this has been said as well (probably has), but I'd just like to make a point.....

The war for me was started in the absence of debate. I don't think that the debate was really listened to, and I don't think that public opinion was taken into account. However much the issue was debated, I think it was effectively never going to make a difference, as the decision to go to war was made by only a few people (probably under 100).

However, if this board was closed down, it woudl be sybolic of the breakdown of debate, and discussion. We do have lengthy, and quite interesting debates on this board, and the war has been a topic of quite intesive debate. I think it's important to keep these avenues open, so that debate can continue, so people can learn, and understand what other people are thinking. I know that my views on the war, and my understanding of it have been enhansed greatly by discussing the issues with French, German, Austrain, British, American, Australian, e.t.c. e.t.c people, and it has widened my understanding of it.

Thus, I we must keep this board open, and we MUST keep debating, and discussing the war! Even if it may do no good, it's an important element of democracy.

Its not a WAR

Its an INVASION - DAMMNIT!!!!!

Check the meanings in a dictionary & then maybe someone can tell Bush what he is doing............

To be fair, I've heard the phrase "War on Iraq" used constantly, not just by America, but also on nearly all newsbroadcasts...... Constant "war" updates and so on......

lol. I see your point though......

It's it technically and "operation"..... "operation free Iraq"

Give financial and military aid to anti-Saddam forces in Iraq. You say people don't like him, so surely there must be lots of anti-Saddam fractions.

And definitely try to include Arab states in finding a solution.

But of course this is not an option anymore as Bush needs this war for ECONOMIC reasons. USA consumes half of world's oil, your oil-funded government and country would collapse if a shortage occured, that's why you need to destroy Alaska in search for oil and invade Iraq.

I never said that people just wake up one morning and change their regime. Off course it takes blood and sweat and tears, my point is, that the nation has to take action, the nation has to rebel, and the nation needs to take initiative in changes. If the nation isn't ready for it, some third party can't come and asume they need rescue, and end their regime violently without full support of the nation and then expect them to just swich to democracy. It doesn't work like that.
So, of course it's bloody and painful, i mean, just look at Romania and Ceausescu. But the people have to take initiative, because without that, there is no real changes being made. In order to change a country's regime, you have to change the people too, not just kill the dictator. And you can't change a nation, they have to season and say "enough!" themselves.

So true. That's what I think.

Now I've been away for a while, and if you look back at my posts before the war then you'll find that I'm as against this war as anybody else, but some of the anti-war posts on here are a little off the mark in my opinion. I never supported the war, in fact I actively protested it, but I am giving my complete and full support to all coalition forces fighting in the gulf. Im sure Mr A and others will brand me hyprocritical for such a change of heart, but these soldiers are thousands of miles from home risking their lives for our countries, and I am not about to protest what they are giving up for us.

This war is not going to end until the Iraqi regime is ended, and until that happens, everyone should support the people who are risking everything for all of us. You may brand them cowards for the strategys used by the miltary, but I would invite you to risk a fraction of what they are, and I'm sure I know exactly what your response will be. And I'm very glad that you are not in charge of military strategy in this war because with your ground charge advice, I don't think there would be a great number of troops coming home to their families and chiildren at the end of this bloody conflict.

And my final point to Kid-A....how come people with pro-war stances are branded as extremist brainwashed fanatics by you, whilst anti-war protesters are the only sane beings in this world. You appear to be just as (if not more) brainwashed and fanatic than Joviscout, Goose and Mouse. Pacifism is a rarely an effective means of change, it is the means that I would have prefered to have seen used, but sometimes other methods have to be used in order to provide an advance in the human race and a saviour of the humanity of the oppressed peoples of Iraq.

I'm not going to say anythingmore on this subject, so please don't bother replying with lame insults.

I am NOT a pacifist, I don't think pacifism is effective, but I am against this war with my entire being and feel sick when I think of this world I live in. People killing each other over energy, playing propaganda wars and telling lies (and so many people believing them). I am an extreme in being against this war. My opinion is not based on what I hear on CNN or any other channel, I usually don't even watch TV. It's based on a bit clearer and larger perspective. I for one have my own views that are based on many many information gathered in my life so far.

Very well put. At last a anti war protester that is not just saying the same thing over.