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Old 12-14-2006, 10:07 PM
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wat about the people who have no choice but to sell their bodys? should we leave them to there fate?

then again who are we to decied what is right and wrong? saying its there body and nothing to do with us is just a cop out! do you want your daughter being a whore? if your answer is no then why not? just because you choose to do something doesnt make it right! its the job of society to guide someone to a decent life! IMO selling yourself isnt!
For sure, guide someone to a better life, help them find housing, a career, a life, sobriety, whatever.

Criminalize prostitution though, and you make the above more or less impossible and add fear of prosecution and jail to women's already troubled lives.

No punishment for buying or selling sex is ever going to eliminate the trade. Surely we should do everything possible to make it safe for those on the streets.
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Old 12-14-2006, 10:10 PM
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Prostitution has been around since time began. It has never been legislated out of existance. As long as there are 2 genders - there will be prostitution. And yes of course it should be legalized. That would give some measure of protection to the women. As it stands (since time began) the men make the money from the practice and the women get punished in terms of legality. When was the last time you saw a male arrested for "visiting" a prostitute. It takes 2 to tango folks. It's always the very people that rant about prostitution (mostly male) that use the service in any case.

I say even out the odds and make it legal. It won't stop all crime associated with it but it will go a long way to helping society all the way around.
Also other side, a hooker or prostitution is much safer here, they are not working for a pimp but for a regular company...

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Since prostitution was legalized over here, sex-crimes have been gone less with about 65% (talking 60/70's here)
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Old 12-14-2006, 10:22 PM
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This is no life for anyone


For women like me, prostitution is about a lot more than drugs, and getting out isn't easy


Yasmin Jackson
Thursday December 14, 2006
The Guardian


I've been selling sex since I was 18 and I'm 41 now. I ran away from home when I was 14 because I was terrified my mum was going to put me in care, and ended up living with fairground people for three years. Like so many girls in my situation, I drifted to London. Having no skills, I ended up working in a hostess bar, then moved down the prostitution food chain and worked for an escort agency.

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By the time I was in my early 20s, I was working on the streets - and have worked there ever since. I didn'tstart using heroin straight away, but I fell in with a bad crowd and they introduced me to it. Later, when crack exploded on to the scene, I began using that too.

Crack has brought about a completely different way of working on the streets. Most of the girls I know don't use more than £20 of heroin a day, but they can use up to £200 of crack in 24-hours. Funding a heroin habit is manageable, but with crack the craving is so strong there's no limit on what you can smoke. So girls need to do a lot of punters to pay for their drugs.

All of us are terrified that the killer of the Ipswich women will move to our area, and a lot of us are only doing regular punters who have our phone numbers. But the reality is that if women need money for drugs, and regular customers don't get in touch, they'll go out there anyway.

I've cut down on my crack and heroin use and so am going out on the streets less frequently. But for those of us with habits, there is a sort of independence to being able to step out on the street at any time and earn enough money to buy the next rock.

A bit less hypocrisy might help too. Thousands of women on the streets service an average of 30 punters a week. Wives, mothers and sisters all say that none of their loved ones would pay for sex, but these men are coming from somewhere.

The attitude of the police makes this work so much more dangerous for us. At the moment, in the area where I work, the police have got a purge on street prostitution. The place the women in my area usually work is all cameraed up so we feel safe there - but when the police move us on, it means that we take more risks.

Because of the awful murders in Ipswich, attention has turned to the problem of women who work on the streets. The vast majority are drug users, and many use heroin and crack. Whether women start on the drugs first and then go on to the streets to pay for their habit, or start working and then turn to the drugs to numb themselves from the awful nature of this work, the end result is the same.

Some suggest that if heroin was more easily available on prescription women would be more able to leave the streets. That might work for some, but I think that many would sell their prescription on the streets to buy crack instead. Many of us are emotionally damaged, and counselling might help. However, some women don't want to face their problems and the pain in their lives - and that's why they turn to drugs in the first place.

I've never met a woman yet who has liked working on the streets, but getting out isn't easy - whatever support services are made available. I've only ever known three women who've made it out. The rest of us are either stuck on the streets, in prison, or in a coffin.

It's not just about having a drug problem. We have difficulties that can't be overcome overnight. Many women have lost their children because of their lifestyle and are bereaved. Counselling, drug programmes, housing and job opportunities may help some of us. I really hope I'll be one of them. I've been doing this work for 23 years now, and it's no life. The author is a street sex worker in south London.

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Old 12-14-2006, 11:14 PM
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these killings seem to have turned into being all about prostitutes....I dont think there is some big prostitute issue here as other women have been killed in similar ways and what they do isnt an issue. I think its was just an easier way for the killer to pick up women, less chance of getting seen.

Same would still happen even if it was legalised, u cant stop women being on the streets.

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Same would still happen even if it was legalised, u cant stop women being on the streets.

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it would be ALOT less....
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it would be ALOT less....

true.

the cops are still hunting for the killer of a prostitue in glasgow over a year ago. a few months back someone threw a girl he'd picked up out of a car on the motorway just outside the city centre and she lost her arm, all these girls in england are being killed and im sure there's plenty more incidences all over the UK.

i'd be interested to know how many girls in the dam had been hurt or killed in the last year...
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Old 12-14-2006, 11:46 PM
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the cops are still hunting for the killer of a prostitue in glasgow over a year ago. a few months back someone threw a girl he'd picked up out of a car on the motorway just outside the city centre and she lost her arm, all these girls in england are being killed and im sure there's plenty more incidences all over the UK.

i'd be interested to know how many girls in the dam had been hurt or killed in the last year...
We had the same problem in Holland. Though legalized, it isn't on street anymore since last year me thinks. Because of safety.
Untill then there was this big industrial erea in Rotterdam where alot of girls stood. Because of some things that happened, that was banned. There are a very few prostitutes on the streets nowadays over here, on the other hand there are very lots legal...
for the dam, none (for the last few years if I'm not mistaken)

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Old 12-15-2006, 11:39 AM
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these killings seem to have turned into being all about prostitutes....I dont think there is some big prostitute issue here as other women have been killed in similar ways and what they do isnt an issue. I think its was just an easier way for the killer to pick up women, less chance of getting seen.
Yeh I agree and it seems the media are feasting on the whole drugs and prostitution thing. We are getting sordid details of these girls pasts and information no-one needs to hear. I reckon at the moment Ipswich is prob the safest place to be, If hes gonna kill again he'll go on to another red light district.

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Old 12-15-2006, 12:21 PM
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i think hes going to wait awhile before he kills again. he enjoys it too much to be caught .
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Old 12-16-2006, 12:53 AM
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yeh its bad.......... supposedly the ipswich rugby team is takin it bad, theyre runnin out of hookers :S
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