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Old 02-29-2004, 03:06 PM
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why are sheep better than goats? when he comes to separate us i don't fancy being a sheep; especially not with davesta around.
You wouldn't be nearly good looking enough as a sheep for me :P
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In a post about religion a while ago, the idea that if you didn't accept God then you would go to hell and blah blah blah.

A certain person also said that if you repent then you can still go to heaven (if it exists of course)

I put forward the idea that I'm a decent hard workign and generally good guy but i don't believe in God in the religious sense but apparently I'm still going to hell whereas rapists and child murderers who "find God" can get into heaven.

What do you think about that whole situation and don't you think it's a bit ironic of an all loving all caring being sending me to hell for nothing more than refusing to accept God?
The idea is if you are Christ like ie all loving and forgiving , then you usually have to have Christ in your life to really achieve this.

As to the theory of how can a rapist get into heaven when a well behaved non christian cant. There are no completely well behaved non christians !
If a rapist has been truly forgiven for his sins then he is no longer a rapist.

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I don't buy that for a minute.

I'm not an angel by any stretch of the imaginatoin. I do stupid things but I am genuinelly a decent guy with good manners, a sense of decency and some morals and to think that some low life piece of shit like ian huntley can be accepted more than me at the end if he decides to pick up a Bible is total bullshit.

I wonder if you would keep the same idea's if someone close to you was raped or murdered........
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Who said God is worried?
If he's not worried, then why does he have to give out orders like "don't have any other gods". Why does he care?

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Who said God is worried?
If he's not worried, then why does he have to give out orders like "don't have any other gods". Why does he care?

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I think what ice is getting at is that why does everyoen have to accept God to get into heaven or whatever....
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He is here love him as your saviour or not, all he is doing is informing you on how to live a loved filled better life, like any parent would,
If really He is telling you that I have no problem with it. Thing is it's the institution church that propagates this information of a love filled better life, information that is based on FEAR, like almost every religion, fear of getting punished for not following the 'information' and living in sin ().

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Often it is not! Institution church has killed a lot, and I mean a lot, people that they tried to give the same 'information' but failed cause they did not want to folow this 'one' God...
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I wonder if you would keep the same idea's if someone close to you was raped or murdered........
I can't speak for Dawn, but I'll speak for myself and say YES. I would still keep the same beliefs. I believe that ALL have sinned. There's perfection and there's imperfection. Only Jesus was perfection. His sacrifice is what atones for my imperfection. Fine... I'll never rape or murder. But I'll wrestle with my own sins that make me imperfect. If God can forive me, He can forgive a rapist or muderer. It's not my place to judge. It's His. If you believe in Jesus, you believe that He died for their sins just as much as He died for yours.


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It's not my place to judge. It's His. If you believe in Jesus, you believe that He died for their sins just as much as He died for yours.
So a judge in a court is a peccant job to you?

No one died for my sins, and I am no sinner since I don't accept a sin as a sin just because the Bible told me it is one.
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of important values in the Bible that men should hold up or even remember, but the belief and religion itself, well, it is made up in a way that you have NO chance to be perfect, you just have to believe that He will have mercy on your soul. I just don't like that.
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In a post about religion a while ago, the idea that if you didn't accept God then you would go to hell and blah blah blah.

A certain person also said that if you repent then you can still go to heaven (if it exists of course)

I put forward the idea that I'm a decent hard workign and generally good guy but i don't believe in God in the religious sense but apparently I'm still going to hell whereas rapists and child murderers who "find God" can get into heaven.

What do you think about that whole situation and don't you think it's a bit ironic of an all loving all caring being sending me to hell for nothing more than refusing to accept God?
The idea is if you are Christ like ie all loving and forgiving , then you usually have to have Christ in your life to really achieve this.

As to the theory of how can a rapist get into heaven when a well behaved non christian cant. There are no completely well behaved non christians !
If a rapist has been truly forgiven for his sins then he is no longer a rapist.

Dawn
I don't buy that for a minute.

I'm not an angel by any stretch of the imaginatoin. I do stupid things but I am genuinelly a decent guy with good manners, a sense of decency and some morals and to think that some low life piece of **** like ian huntley can be accepted more than me at the end if he decides to pick up a Bible is total bullshit.

I wonder if you would keep the same idea's if someone close to you was raped or murdered........
What makes you think someone close to be hasnt been raped or murdered !!!!!!!!!

My brother was murdered, shot actually, do I forgive the people that murdered him, yes, God has taught me how to do this.

God is truely aware of whether the person that has committed a sin(crime) is repentant or not, it takes a lot more than just picking up a bible. I trust God to deal with people and how he sees fit when it is their time.

Being like God is not just a decision to be a good person or behave in a certain correct manner. To live with God in your life is an uplifting changing experience with many rewards ,one of an eternal life. So the evil people like Ian Huntley/murders wont ever be able to make a difference to your eternal life with Jesus.

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Who said God is worried?
If he's not worried, then why does he have to give out orders like "don't have any other gods". Why does he care?

Ice
I think what ice is getting at is that why does everyoen have to accept God to get into heaven or whatever....
God gives out what you like to be seen as orders just like parents do, to protect their childern. God knows its wrong to pray to (false Gods)gold statues etc, so this is what he tells his childern, it saves them, time, money, and spiritual energy knowing what is right to do.

If you have a parent or someone speical bringing you up, you trust this person to look after you, believe in them, this is what God asks from you in order that he can become your parent and welcome you home to heaven.

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