Q + A with Stay Human - V.2 : The Case for Christ.

If you had a parent, you will know that your parent has punished you + steered you into the right direction as you were growing up , some people at times have been frightened of their parents for simple things like taking their right away to watch tv, no pocket money, being grounded etc. So this basic fear and parental love steers u in the right direction for life, God is doing the same thing.

Dawn

Like I said, "IF you believe...." which I do. There are things I don't necessarily like either, but I still believe them.

A judge in a court is set up to follow man's laws. Different can of beans, my friend.

Becky

My Question:

Did Jon talk to Jesus?

Some good things in there and as I said above there are a lot of values men should hold on to or even have to remember.

But...

God told me nothing, it's the church that wants me to believe He will or could do so.
Getting strength or help out of believing is the only positive thing I can think of but a fairytale book and a power abusing institution like (especially the former) church is just not where I'm getting it from.

Oh, well,...

I dont go to church and have lots of reasons why. My relationship with God is more important than my relationship with an institution.

As for the fairytale book, I presume you mean the bible, the bible is based on fact and history, its a history book written by many witnesses. As with most history books, they are written by the witnesses to the history as it has unfolded. A lot of what is written ie history of the people, kings, prophets has now been proven by archelogical digs etc.

Would you therefore think that any history book about the past kings and Queens of this world would be seen as a fairytale ?

Dawn

Why does that warrant an eye-roll? If I only believed in things I LIKE, then I would probably be in a mental institution since I wouldn't be able to cope with reality.

Ahem... I've just gotten a rather humorous mental image of myself. LOL

Becky

Most of the bible is based on nothing but fairytales. There are some historic characters in it, but most of it is just made up.

Yes, but none off the stuff that "matters" has been proven. The kings, prophets and such existed, but did Jesus? Did he perform miracles?

Every history book is a fairy tale to some degree. The bible is very much just a story. The Quran has the same story, but with different people. I'm sure you think that that's as authentic as the bible then?

According to most historians, bible was written hundreds of years AFTER the alledged Jesus was crusified. I'm sure the stories have changed through the years.


Ice

That's very ok to me if you do so. I don't want to change your thoughts. Just stating my opinion as you do yours, and it's been a nice and inspiring thread and I appreciate your thoughts.
What you've written is what I could go with IF church wouldn't be that connected to it, claiming they are the servants of the Lord. Believing in God but not in church would be a halfway thing to me, so I decided to dump it all. Maybe I believe in a force out there, but I don't like it to be called God since this remembers me of the cruel institution.

As Ice put it, in a way, yes! History is always written by the ones that prevailed over their enemy/opponent.
Yet, you got a point there, but I still don't see the Bible as a history book in the way you put it, since no other history book claims to be the ultimate thin to follow through belief.

A little point here and I'm not shooting anyone down in anyway whatsoever.

BUT As far as Christianti is concerned int he grand scheme of things, it's a fairly new religion.

Now if God didn't want us praying to false God's etc... which would also include other religions.

then why would all these other religions which pretty much preach the same idea have been around long before it?

If there was 1 true religion do you not think the all knowing, seeing, being God would have made a point of letting everyone know in the 1st place and if God actually did do this it would mean every religion after the initial one is one of these false ones you;re talking about.