Religion ideas vs the world

I ment was he was not generally known as son of god untill 300 years after his death. different documents and finding from that time prove that (as his excistence).
300 years, that's says enough, hitler can be a hero in 2245

I know it doesn't matter, but personally I just believe that it would be better if people did good deeds more selflessly - I think it is stupid to suggest that all actions are selfish, I saw that episode recently so know what you mean.

i would agree here! and im a massive friends fan and seen the episode many times! there is such things as un selfish deeds! i.e. giving ot the poor because u want to help

Say one, then. In any of them you will feel satisfied at the very least just because you did right.

That is a result of the deed, not the reason for doing it, it isn't the same. I don't give to charity because it might make me feel good afterward, or to brag about having done it, or because I feel I need to- I do it because I know the money I give might help save someones life, and because I want to.

well in th ebible u hate so much jesus actually condems people who give just for show! he says if you give to the charity dont let ur left hand know what your right hand is doing, meaning give out of love not for gorly

Again, hardly a revolutionary idea. Mankind has been around for thousands of years, and I'm sure people helped others long before your messiah told them to do it.

Stoning adulterers. Killing your children for talking back at you. Keeping slaves. Having to drag your new bride to her fathers door to stone her to death for not being a virgin. Killing anybody who works on the sabbath. Encouraging incest, infanticide, genocide, misogynistic tendencies, racism, bigotry, homophobia, in-group/out-group hostility and on and on. The Bible is probably the worst source of morality you could ever come across. The God of the Old Testament (Yaweh) is arguably the most unpleasent character in all fiction, and although Jesus is a vast improvement, he does himself endorse all of God's instruction in the OT and he isn't exactly kindly and forgiving to those who didn't follow his teachings.

Keeper, you said Jesus definitely existed, the truth is, although that person almost certainly did exist, there isn't actually any evidence that he did.

On the question of why people are good. Environment certainly plays a large part but the reason we're all moral and good at a base level in due to our evolution, specifically the processes of Kin Selection and Reciprocal Altruism. The only reason we are able to take the good parts from "the good book" and disregard the awful parts is that we have an innate sense of right and wrong built into from millions of years of evolution.

Ending your life so another can live. A soldier jumping on a grenade to save the rest of his men. The mother killing herself so her child can have her heart. The stranger stepping in front of a shooter to save another persons life.

Selfless, or altruistic acts, are defined as any acts that aid in another's well being at the expense of one's ability to survive or reproduce most effectively, so one doesn't have to give up their life to commit a selfless act.

You see this in chimp cultures. A chimp will risk it's own life by intervening in a dispute between to other chimps to bring about a peaceful resolution. That's a selfless act, although all acts are in a sense selfish when viewed from a genes-eye view BUT the beauty of that is that our inherently selfish genes have built unselfish animals, us!

[QUOTE=Butters;729208]Stoning adulterers. Killing your children for talking back at you. Keeping slaves. Having to drag your new bride to her fathers door to stone her to death for not being a virgin. Killing anybody who works on the sabbath. Encouraging incest, infanticide, genocide, misogynistic tendencies, racism, bigotry, homophobia, in-group/out-group hostility and on and on. The Bible is probably the worst source of morality you could ever come across. The God of the Old Testament (Yaweh) is arguably the most unpleasent character in all fiction, and although Jesus is a vast improvement, he does himself endorse all of God's instruction in the OT and he isn't exactly kindly and forgiving to those who didn't follow his teachings.


stoning adulterers (let he is without sin cast the first stone) i believe that changed a teaching, killin children (your getting this from where), mary was pregent out side of wedlock! jesus preformed works on the sabbath again cancelling out that teaching, as for the rest again all taken out by and disregagred by jesus himself. unless youn can show me where they are included! can u show me were just os nasty to his followers! u acusing without proving.

there is evidence for the man called jesus existing! recored from the time show a man called jesus was put to death in the area. alsom states he had a large number of followers!

morals by evolution doesnt is again only a theroy not fact. i know dawkins trys to support this claim! it fails to explain why there is still evil in the world! also goes against survival of the fittest!