Religion ideas vs the world

Living_on_my_Hair · #**201** 03-09-2007, 10:43 PM

The Vatican is a joke.

'nuf sed

andi

Butters · #**202** 03-09-2007, 11:02 PM

What I really despise about Christian "charity" groups, and why I never give my money to any of them, is that they spread religion first, then aid. They make these unbelievably unfortunate people learn their religious ideologies in order to get their aid. Its sick and it's despicable and it's dangerous too as is all too clear to see in AIDS ridden Africa.

eriK · #**203** 03-09-2007, 11:05 PM

I’ve always found topics like these interesting in some extent. These debates and discussion are very similar to the political ones. And just as those, in this context (or more precisely on this forum!), is totally pointless.

I personally admire and respect those who believe. I would like to be able to that as well, but somehow it doesn’t work that easy for me.

Cuchulainn · #**204** 03-09-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Butters

Its sick and it's despicable and it's dangerous too as is all too clear to see in AIDS ridden Africa.

in order for them to have children they have to risk spreading aids to their partner and their future children, adding to the troubles of africa. the use of condoms does nothing except allow causal sex and even then is not 100% effective.

catholic teaching is no sex before marriage, so they dont aids to any people except the person they marry.

i also believe the use of condom will be allowed by the catholic church for couples with aids in the near future.

again im no expert on chrisitan laws or aids so i may be wrong on that account

TheseDays2005 · #**205** 03-10-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Malachy

from catholic homes and what not. during lent all catholics are given a box in which to fill money for the 6 weeks and then its returned to trocroia. if you are referring to the vatian itself maybe you should take a look at the figures before you say it gives nothing.

Exactly from catholic homes and NOT from the Vatican itself.
Vatican, I saw figures .....

TheseDays2005 · #**206** 03-10-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Malachy

from catholic homes and what not. during lent all catholics are given a box in which to fill money for the 6 weeks and then its returned to trocroia. if you are referring to the vatian itself maybe you should take a look at the figures before you say it gives nothing.

Exactly from catholic homes and NOT from the Vatican itself.
Vatican, I saw figures .....

Vatican was also responsible for more deaths and more horror then Hitler + Saddam + Bush...

Malachy · #**207** 03-10-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheseDays2005

Exactly from catholic homes and NOT from the Vatican itself.
Vatican, I saw figures .....

lol why does the .......... after figures make me think you arent being at all truthful lol, the vatican has always relied on money from its members.

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Originally Posted by TheseDays2005

Vatican was also responsible for more deaths and more horror then Hitler + Saddam + Bush...

im not the biggest fan of the church when it comes to this type of history but im afriad i will have to disagree on you with that, im sure you have the evidence to prove it through because tis not nice to accuse without proof. im told to say that to my class.

Dawn · #**208** 03-10-2007, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Butters

I think the problem here is a lack of definition of what faith is. There are two types of faith.

So like andi, I definitely have that sort of faith, though I wouldn't call it that as it has a different meaning from the most widely understood meaning of the word, and I think Dawn (and I say this with no disrespect) that you are mixing the two meanings up and that is where the confusion is coming from.

Whatever you have in faith requires one thing understanding love. To have faith in yourself or something else would require you to know and love yourself. Love breeds faith.... without Love you have no faith...

Dawn

Dawn · #**209** 03-10-2007, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson

I don't believe in luck, and though I know they don't mean it I feel more upset when people say 'Good luck' when I have things like exams, because it implies that I am crap and will only pass by some miracle they call luck. I do things for myself, I don't wait around for them to happen. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you, but to me I have no 'faith' in anything. I have a vivid imagination so I might daydream about things, but I know that they are either unrealistic, or I will have to work hard to get them. I don't need to 'have faith in myself' because that again just sounds like I don't think I can do it and have to tell myself 'You can do it' when all I really have to do is try hard, if I fail, I try again. No faith.

if you really had no faith then when are you trying again... what would be the reason for trying again... faith that you will achieve it if not this time next, you love yourself enough to keep trying and to not give up. So yo udo have faith...

I find it interesting where are faith comes from.

This is how I think God shows us unconditional love , he never gives up on us, even if we or others try and give up on ourselves, God can always pick us up and carry us through via the faith he has in us, his children. Faith to me is unconditional love from God.

Dawn

TheseDays2005 · #**210** 03-10-2007, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dawn

This is how I think Sam shows us unconditional love , he never gives up on us, even if we or others try and give up on ourselves, Sam can always pick us up and carry us through via the faith he has in us, his children. Faith to me is unconditional love from Sam.

Dawn

I'm verry sorry but If I read something from then not knowing what the subject was, ie replacing God with something else say Sam.
In that case I would say you would have psychotical problem. Not personal at all, but read it, I adjusted God for you...
(Sam being someone no-one ever saw or accounted for)

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