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Old 06-19-2004, 02:41 PM
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well in some cases it is unequivocal that some prisoners are guilty, but it should be innocent untill proven guilty!!!!
I agree, but talk to Daniel Pearl, Paul Johnson, and Nicholas Berg's families about that.
so you actually think that their families would think it be a good idea to simply imprison anyone without being held accountable for what they do to their prisoners nor as to who they actually are?

I might be misunderstanding you
I meant that entire innocent concept. Those men were all innocent and look what was done to them. It is sad on all ends.
yes and that is why WE should not be acting like them. Otherwise we are no better
This is true, but I just find it odd that more people are in an uproar over these prison camps than the beheadings and such. I would say that both events are awful, but why don't you see protests about the latter.
Because we are not personally accoutable for the latter.
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Did WE BEHEAD anyone??
I am mad as hell right now over the days events. A man, an American CIVILIAN was beheaded today, and you people are more concerned over the prison camps??? PLEASE help me understand how this is possible!
Ah, Donna. Stick around Jovitalk for awhile longer and you'll see that some people here see nothing wrong with an American being killed. It's all in self defense, you know. The poor misunderstood Muslims are, after all, only defending themselves from American civilians.
Yeah I am starting to see how some around here think.
Very, very sad. I wonder how they would feel if it was a civilian from their own country who was murdered in cold blood for no reason.

You know I just heard something on a news show.
We need to get tougher on these people. We need to send this message loud and clear. To kill an American civilian, any civilian for that matter, for no reason is to sign your own death warrant. The consequences need to be swift and severe.
These people have been shot - there is no uproar about that. There is an uproar about people being held and not being convicted of anything / brought to justice in the moral way we are meant to represent. If you cast your minds back, that is exactly what Saddam was doing. And his reasons for doing it are EXACTLY the same as the ones you are citing now.

It must also be noted that events like this were not taking place to US people before the US went storming into the middle East in its size 12's.
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ALso, Donnaj & Jovi2003. By your reasoning, do you also think with a passion that the guards involved in the Abu Ghraib scandal have signed their own death warrant and deserve swift & deadly retribution??

Sometimes I think you people are living in the stone age.
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Protests was the wrong word to use. I should have said how come you don't see just as much outrage over the beheadings as you do over the awful treatment of prisoners.
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Because we are not personally accoutable for the latter.
Protests was the wrong word to use. I should have said how come you don't see just as much outrage over the beheadings as you do over the awful treatment of prisoners.
I don't understand this either.

Mike I am not going to get into a big political debate with you. I find them boring. You see things your way and I see them my way. I am not asking you to agree with me.

Would you have shown this outrage had it been one of your own who was brutally murdered yesterday?
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ALso, Donnaj & Jovi2003. By your reasoning, do you also think with a passion that the guards involved in the Abu Ghraib scandal have signed their own death warrant and deserve swift & deadly retribution??

Sometimes I think you people are living in the stone age.
I didn't see any of the guards in Abu Ghraib "sawing" anyones head off either.

Our country has taken action on those guards. I have not EVER said I agreed with things that alledgedly happened. But it sure doesn't warrant sawing the heads off innocent civilians, then plastering them all over the internet.

Have our prisoners been treated humanely over there? Hardly.

You say we live in the stone age. I say you have tunnel vision, and look to blame everything on the U.S.
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ALso, Donnaj & Jovi2003. By your reasoning, do you also think with a passion that the guards involved in the Abu Ghraib scandal have signed their own death warrant and deserve swift & deadly retribution??

Sometimes I think you people are living in the stone age.
I didn't see any of the guards in Abu Ghraib "sawing" anyones head off either.

Our country has taken action on those guards. I have not EVER said I agreed with things that alledgedly happened. But it sure doesn't warrant sawing the heads off innocent civilians, then plastering them all over the internet.

Have our prisoners been treated humanely over there? Hardly.

You say we live in the stone age. I say you have tunnel vision, and look to blame everything on the U.S.


you clearly have absolutely no idea about mike.
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ALso, Donnaj & Jovi2003. By your reasoning, do you also think with a passion that the guards involved in the Abu Ghraib scandal have signed their own death warrant and deserve swift & deadly retribution??

Sometimes I think you people are living in the stone age.
I didn't see any of the guards in Abu Ghraib "sawing" anyones head off either.

Our country has taken action on those guards. I have not EVER said I agreed with things that alledgedly happened. But it sure doesn't warrant sawing the heads off innocent civilians, then plastering them all over the internet.

Have our prisoners been treated humanely over there? Hardly.

You say we live in the stone age. I say you have tunnel vision, and look to blame everything on the U.S.


you clearly have absolutely no idea about mike.

And Mike clearly has no idea about me.

Mike is entitled to feel however he wants to feel. I am entitled to feel how I feel.

I am completely disgusted by what took place yesterday and firmly believe something needs to be done about it. Idealy, I would like to see our President order all civilians out of all arab countries ASAP.

I have said repeatedly, I am not trying to get anyone to agree with me. I am merely stating my feelings, just as the rest of you are.
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ALso, Donnaj & Jovi2003. By your reasoning, do you also think with a passion that the guards involved in the Abu Ghraib scandal have signed their own death warrant and deserve swift & deadly retribution??
The guards are being dealt with by the military. That is their responsibility to deal with the guards involved.

Let me ask you, Mike...if Americans held Muslim civilians hostage and said we would behead them if they didn't turn over Osama Bin Laden, and then we beheaded them and splashed the pictures all over the internet would you be ok with that too?
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Old 06-20-2004, 02:11 AM
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Because we are not personally accoutable for the latter.
Protests was the wrong word to use. I should have said how come you don't see just as much outrage over the beheadings as you do over the awful treatment of prisoners.
You are kidding right?? There is a huge amount of outrage.
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