Report Says U.S. Has 'Secret' Detention Centers

Mike · #31 06-20-2004, 02:12 AM

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Because we are not personally accoutable for the latter.

Protests was the wrong word to use. I should have said how come you don't see just as much outrage over the beheadings as you do over the awful treatment of prisoners.

I don't understand this either.

Mike I am not going to get into a big political debate with you. I find them boring. You see things your way and I see them my way. I am not asking you to agree with me.

Would you have shown this outrage had it been one of your own who was brutally murdered yesterday?

Again, you think I am not outraged??

Mike · #32 06-20-2004, 02:14 AM

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ALso, Donnaj & Jovi2003. By your reasoning, do you also think with a passion that the guards involved in the Abu Ghraib scandal have signed their own death warrant and deserve swift & deadly retribution??

Sometimes I think you people are living in the stone age.

I didn't see any of the guards in Abu Ghraib "sawing" anyones head off either.

Our country has taken action on those guards. I have not EVER said I agreed with things that alledgedly happened. But it sure doesn't warrant sawing the heads off innocent civilians, then plastering them all over the internet.

Have our prisoners been treated humanely over there? Hardly.

You say we live in the stone age. I say you have tunnel vision, and look to blame everything on the U.S.

you clearly have absolutely no idea about mike.

And Mike clearly has no idea about me.

Mike is entitled to feel however he wants to feel. I am entitled to feel how I feel.

I am completely disgusted by what took place yesterday and firmly believe something needs to be done about it. Idealy, I would like to see our President order all civilians out of all arab countries ASAP.

I have said repeatedly, I am not trying to get anyone to agree with me. I am merely stating my feelings, just as the rest of you are.

No matter what atrosities they commit, it doesn't make it right for you to do the same, and doesn't do anything to make people view you on a higher plane.

Mike · #33 06-20-2004, 02:17 AM

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ALso, Donnaj & Jovi2003. By your reasoning, do you also think with a passion that the guards involved in the Abu Ghraib scandal have signed their own death warrant and deserve swift & deadly retribution??

The guards are being dealt with by the military. That is their responsibility to deal with the guards involved.

So because they are Americans, they can be dealt with less severely?

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Let me ask you, Mike...if Americans held Muslim civilians hostage and said we would behead them if they didn't turn over Osama Bin Laden, and then we beheaded them and splashed the pictures all over the internet would you be ok with that too?

No, I would support their bringing to justice, which is what has happened in this case. The people that did this deserved what they got. However that doesn't make it right to have these detention camps.

Mike · #34 06-20-2004, 02:42 AM

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ALso, Donnaj & Jovi2003. By your reasoning, do you also think with a passion that the guards involved in the Abu Ghraib scandal have signed their own death warrant and deserve swift & deadly retribution??

Sometimes I think you people are living in the stone age.

I didn't see any of the guards in Abu Ghraib "sawing" anyones head off either.

But there were many things just as bad.

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Our country has taken action on those guards. I have not EVER said I agreed with things that alledgedly happened. But it sure doesn't warrant sawing the heads off innocent civilians, then plastering them all over the internet.

It hasn't taken the kind of action you are suggesting should be taken.

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Have our prisoners been treated humanely over there? Hardly.

Why whenever the US are accused of anything do they justify it by these peoples actions?? Retribution should be isolated to these people alone & even then it should be the same level of justice that US citizens doing the same thing would receive.

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You say we live in the stone age. I say you have tunnel vision, and look to blame everything on the U.S.

LOL - don't shovel up what Jovi2003 is feeding. That is usually her response to anything I say. I can only assume because she has run out of other arguments.

Jovi2003 · #35 06-20-2004, 02:48 AM

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LOL - don't shovel up what Jovi2003 is feeding. That is usually her response to anything I say. I can only assume because she has run out of other arguments.

Wrong again, Mike. You post nothing positive about the US, and it's quite obvious. Yet, for some strange reason you have no problem going and digging up pictures of injured Iraqi children and displaying them to prove your point. There's something not right there.

Mike · #36 06-20-2004, 03:00 AM

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LOL - don't shovel up what Jovi2003 is feeding. That is usually her response to anything I say. I can only assume because she has run out of other arguments.

Wrong again, Mike. You post nothing positive about the US, and it's quite obvious.

Donnaj has been involved in 2 political arguments with me, hence I am not wrong - she could no way have formed an opinion like that without your speel.

And you are also wrong in that I post nothing positive about the US. I rarely post anything positive about Bush. Which proves how incredible ignorant you really are when you cannot differentiate between the two. And you were using that line very quickly, quite simply because whenever I debate with you, you are soon to turn quite abusive simply because you cannot bring yourself to find fault with the US's actions, even when fault is quite clearly there. Although I'm sure it is Bush's actions that you cannot find fault with. A bit of differentiation there.

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Yet, for some strange reason you have no problem going and digging up pictures of injured Iraqi children and displaying them to prove your point. There's something not right there.

The reason wasn't strange at all - if you read the post I replied to.

Although I can guarantee that very few people who supported that war (invasion) have actually physically seen the damage they are causing. Which is why it is sometimes useful to remind them.

Mike · #37 06-20-2004, 03:10 AM

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LOL - don't shovel up what Jovi2003 is feeding. That is usually her response to anything I say. I can only assume because she has run out of other arguments.

Wrong again, Mike. You post nothing positive about the US, and it's quite obvious.

Donnaj has been involved in 2 political arguments with me, hence I am not wrong - she could no way have formed an opinion like that without your speel.

And you are also wrong in that I post nothing positive about the US. I rarely post anything positive about Bush. Which proves how incredible ignorant you really are when you cannot differentiate between the two. And you were using that line very quickly, quite simply because whenever I debate with you, you are soon to turn quite abusive simply because you cannot bring yourself to find fault with the US's actions, even when fault is quite clearly there. Although I'm sure it is Bush's actions that you cannot find fault with. A bit of differentiation there.

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Yet, for some strange reason you have no problem going and digging up pictures of injured Iraqi children and displaying them to prove your point. There's something not right there.

There is something not right about supporting those bombs & guns, and then seeming shocked when retribution happens.

The reason wasn't strange at all - if you read the post I replied to.

Although I can guarantee that very few people who supported that war (invasion) have actually physically seen the damage they are causing. Which is why it is sometimes useful to remind them. It is one of the reasons the US is not in everyone's birthday list.

donnanj · #38 06-20-2004, 03:23 AM

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But there were many things just as bad.

Sorry Mike. I cannot thing of anything near as bad as sawing a live humans head off.

Jim Bon Jovi · #39 06-20-2004, 03:34 AM

Again. even though I disagree with Mike on the vast majority of debates that have arisen as a result of the war and events surrounding it, all you 2 are doing is coming across as braindead American's without putting much thought behind your arguments which, by your own admission, is what you're doing.

Jovi2003 · #40 06-20-2004, 03:57 AM

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Donnaj has been involved in 2 political arguments with me, hence I am not wrong - she could no way have formed an opinion like that without your speel.

ROTFL. Contrary to your beliefs, Mike, you don't rank in what I think about away from this site. I have not said word one to donnanj about you. Go ahead, ask her. You're obviously are more transparent than you think.

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And you are also wrong in that I post nothing positive about the US. I rarely post anything positive about Bush. Which proves how incredible ignorant you really are when you cannot differentiate between the two. And you were using that line very quickly, quite simply because whenever I debate with you, you are soon to turn quite abusive simply because you cannot bring yourself to find fault with the US's actions, even when fault is quite clearly there. Although I'm sure it is Bush's actions that you cannot find fault with. A bit of differentiation there.

*sigh* Here we go again. You're like a broken record.

Report Says U.S. Has 'Secret' Detention Centers

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