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Old 11-11-2005, 08:30 PM
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I've been looking around the web on various sites to see how the whole thing was being reported abroad. Some get it right, some get it wrong (I won't start on Fox News right now...) but most of, if not all, the foreign news relating the events are quick (and happy maybe?) on criticising France's inequalities between social classes.

What a lot seem to forget is to look at their own country and learn the lessons of the French situation. ie, inequities in the US are growing, the rich getting richer, the poor poorer etc... Same in most western rich countries.

The whole "western" economical/social system (call it capitalism, liberalism, whatever) is to be questioned here and as well as it's sufficiency, or even necessity, to reach a well balanced society.


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I've not been paying attention to the debatte in swedish press. I don't even think that the swedish news papers has even brought up the reason...
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It seems they all show Paris burning ...... ??? that's not true.
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It seems they all show Paris burning ...... ??? that's not true.
When you look and listen at Fox News and Bill O'Reilly... "The muslim riots have set France on fire, that will teach us to not support the US in Iraq"... right...
They showed a map of France with the "burning cities"... Paris was placed in Reims, Toulouse in the Alpes (as far out as in Austria btw...), Lyon in Limoges, etc... "Journalists"...

Fortunately these incompetent prats don't represent the majority of journalists... yet.


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When you look and listen at Fox News and Bill O'Reilly... "The muslim riots have set France on fire, that will teach us to not support the US in Iraq"... right...
They showed a map of France with the "burning cities"... Paris was placed in Reims, Toulouse in the Alpes (as far out as in Austria btw...), Lyon in Limoges, etc... "Journalists"...

Fortunately these incompetent prats don't represent the majority of journalists... yet.


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I'm not surprised
The family from all around the world (we're a bit everywhere Japan, Australia, US etc ...) they all call as it looks so dangerous !! it is but not that much !! and not everywhere .....
Actually it's a bit better, i don't know why exactly ...
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Actually it's a bit better, i don't know why exactly ...
Well some things have announced, the repression maybe more efficient, other people in these suburbs are starting to show they are fed up... I just hope the rioters will finally understand they above all shot a bullet in their own foot.

Did you see that tv talk show with Sarkozy and Borloo? Sarko sucked as usual, I mean he says some truths but he's so clumbsy at it... But I thought Borloo kicked ass, it felt really good hearing a minister speak like he did.

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No, i rarely watch tv ... (But i'm not surprised about Sarko ..)
Just now i tried to listen the news on TF1 ... but kids ..... argh !!!

They were saying that in Creteil i think it was, an imam talked for an hour about the riots and reminds everyone that this sort of violence is not allowed by the islam.

And after they talked about the "apprentissage" à 14 years old which was not really liked recently by teachers but now facing the reality .. maybe it is a good solution .... oh realllly ??
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And after they talked about the "apprentissage" à 14 years old which was not really liked recently by teachers but now facing the reality .. maybe it is a good solution .... oh realllly ??
I know what your saying.

That's what I liked in Borloo yesterday. He supported the idea of recruiting people based on their profile and abilities (define through tests) rather than through a CV and letter. He said this had been experienced in 70 ANPE agencies, in suburbs such as Aulnay-sous-Bois, where among all the candidates that had no official degree or qualification for the job, 85% were actually hired and succeded in their job.

That shows a lot on the inefficiency of the education and recruiting systems.


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If he said such things that's a big step you know !
They should follow this idea.
We can't ask people to have a Bac+5 for a job of assistant (like my younger sister !!!) me without any qualification i have only my personality and experience to get something interesting (and my bagou ). And i'm sure i could do this job of assistant. But i don't have the bac+5 ...... so i can't have the 1100£ per month ... which is not so good for someone with this level. But me, i'd be more than happy with that ! But my sister deserves more than that !
I'm working part time (smic) but as soon as the kids can stay on their own i'll find a full time ... (if i start a full time now i'd give half of my salary to the chilminder)

But i'm some sort lucky because i did this apprentissage at 14 years old with a great boss and with this past i have a good experience. I know i can sell anything, i always do a good job apparently, that's what saves me.
If i didn't do this apprentissage i would have simply failed at school like many others.
Lucky they told me i had this way if i wanted.
I was in this category of kids who fail you know, one day a teacher said we should test my IQ ... and we knew what the problem was. Now they are more into this sort of thing but before ..... so i was lucky. I know James is like that too. We'll see if he fails or not ...
But honeslty i often say i'd prefer my son is a garagist and my daughter a hairdresser if that's really what they want rather than seeing them years and years at school for nearly nothing in the end ...
If they want to learn a profession i won't force them to stay at school until they're 18.
Now a garagist makes more money than a Bac+5 and he's garanteed to have a job all his life. Same for the hairdresser.

Now i know .... some Bac +5 got a good job and make a lot of money and that's fair.

Again ..... we're going back to old things.
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Now i know .... some Bac +5 got a good job and make a lot of money and that's fair.
Of course it's fair, thank you !

Seriously though, even for bac+5 studies you need practice, you need to get in touch with the real world of the job you're aiming for. There's not a job in the world for which theory would be enough. Yet most of the students who reach bac+5 in university get theory at 99.9%... that's an outdated way to go.

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