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Old 11-06-2006, 11:42 AM
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I think you are absolutly right .These sort of people think totaly different to us , they have no compassion for human life .person to them is not how we see it . Theres no real right or wrong in their heads .You could almost say that they are not human. They dont feel guilt at all. they are manipulative cold blooded killers and shouldnt be given the same rights as others .I can see how may think this is wrong in killing Saddam and goes against their own beliefs but your looking at it with the point of veiw that they will be killing a normal person which of course would be wrong .However he is no ordinary person is he? hes a freak of nature . As for letting him stay in jial for the rest of his life.Hes never going to sit there and think oh dear i did wrong wasnt i bad.Of course not he will see it as unjust and will plot for his freedom.Just imagine if he got out again?? .No the right thing to do is to hang him , put an end to it now .
I'm really begining to come around to this idea. I don't believe in the DP..I would like to see these people locked up lonely on bread and water and their conscience for company... But I'm seeing that this probably wouldn't be the case...and that maybe they don't have a conscience and therefore not really a punsihment.
Over the years we've heard how the moors murderers have done this and that... whilst inside... and every now and then seeing their faces in the newspapers..which stirs up yet more emotion... It makes me wonder if they been given the DP, would have been forgotten to a certain degree and left in the past.
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Old 11-06-2006, 12:17 PM
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Let the punishment fit the crime. Not just in this case, but in general. That's how I'd hope to see it in Finland as well. Death penalty is the only way to make sure some crimes aren't being repeated after sentence served.
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Old 11-06-2006, 12:52 PM
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Let the punishment fit the crime. Not just in this case, but in general. That's how I'd hope to see it in Finland as well. Death penalty is the only way to make sure some crimes aren't being repeated after sentence served.
Life without parole?
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Old 11-06-2006, 12:54 PM
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Let the punishment fit the crime.
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Old 11-06-2006, 12:58 PM
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It makes me wonder if they been given the DP, would have been forgotten to a certain degree and left in the past.
Because Jack the Ripper has been completely forgotten about, hasn't he?

More to the point, if we expect our legal system to have any kind of deterrent effect, we NEED constant reminders that criminals are behind bars.

As for those who have suffered a loss to a murderer/rapist, well... they are never going to forget, regardless of whether the perpetrator is alive or dead.
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Old 11-06-2006, 01:10 PM
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maybe they don't have a conscience and therefore not really a punsihment.
Ignoring the fact that very, very few killers are psycopathic enough not to have a conscience, time alone with guilt is far from being the only punishing aspect of prison. A life of fear and confinement is just about as bad a punishment as I can think of.

It's not often I agree with the Christians, but the only way we can exercise true power over those who would kill is to forgive and turn the other cheek. Punishment and revenge may make us feel better, and should form an element of the justice system, but its main purpose should be to prevent crime and protect the public - either through removing those who pose a risk to society or where possible, through education and rehabilitation.

Given the death penality scores poorly in this respect (see previous posts), the risks inherent in its introduction are way too costly. You don't have to look too far to see what happens when you give the power of life and death to someone in office who is wildly unstable and perhaps lacking in personal conscience themselves. If just once, chlidren, innocents or the mentally ill are made to suffer as the price of our revenge, it is too often.

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Old 11-06-2006, 02:41 PM
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Let the punishment fit the crime. Not just in this case, but in general. That's how I'd hope to see it in Finland as well. Death penalty is the only way to make sure some crimes aren't being repeated after sentence served.
Yes, death penalty's also to Finland, thanks.
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Ignoring the fact that very, very few killers are psychopathic enough not to have a conscience, time alone with guilt is far from being the only punishing aspect of prison. A life of fear and confinement is just about as bad a punishment as I can think of.

It's not often I agree with the Christians, but the only way we can exercise true power over those who would kill is to forgive and turn the other cheek. Punishment and revenge may make us feel better, and should form an element of the justice system, but its main purpose should be to prevent crime and protect the public - either through removing those who pose a risk to society or where possible, through education and rehabilitation.

Given the death penalty scores poorly in this respect (see previous posts), the risks inherent in its introduction are way too costly. You don't have to look too far to see what happens when you give the power of life and death to someone in office who is wildly unstable and perhaps lacking in personal conscience themselves. If just once, children, innocents or the mentally ill are made to suffer as the price of our revenge, it is too often.
Good points but yet again your talking as though Saddam is a normal person which of course he is not . To forgive and turn the other cheek wouldn't work in this case . Don't forget either if he were found innocent he would have been set free .Do you think that right??
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the people talking about a prison sentence beign cushy have obviously never seen the inside of a jail cell.

1 night is enough for plmnety of people to never want to go back. it doesn;t matter if you're devoid of a conscience to the point where you can kill someone without batting an eyelid, being locked up can and will get to you on a deep rooted mental level and no amount of shit on daytime tv and mcdonald meals will change the fact that you're stuck in there.
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Old 11-06-2006, 04:09 PM
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Good points but yet again your talking as though Saddam is a normal person which of course he is not . To forgive and turn the other cheek wouldn't work in this case . Don't forget either if he were found innocent he would have been set free .Do you think that right??
If ANYONE is found innocent they should be set free. Fortunately, there is ample evidence that Saddam is a genocidal ****head, and he was rightly found guilty.

Can I forgive him? Not my decision to make, but if he had killed my family, It would be the only way in which I would feel able to get on with my life. Revenge would only darken my thoughts further.

Not for a minute saying that trying to forgive someone for crimes of that nature would take any less than a lifetime, but it's the ideal to strive for.
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