Seal hunting

so we can assume everyone here who doesn't like this has never eaten a bit of meat in their life or wore a leather jacket?

thus my point exactly.

If you don't want to modernise then you've got to expect people to do jobs that they can in rural areas, fishign happens to be one of them.

Where's the outcry about millions of fish being killed? cows? chicken?

someone said it earlier on, is it because dolphins are cute and i think that has a whole lot to do with this. Animals we see as "cute" or intelligent like dolphins and wales get much more attention than your average pig rolling about in it's own shite.

Selective empathy.

You may not like the idea that this doesn't bother me at all but at least I'm being consistent.

I'm not going to argue, but that wasn't my point, and you know that.

Nat

you totally went off on a tanget on my original point too.

I pointed out that there isn't exactly an abundance of desk jobs in the countryside so people have to work with what they've got to...

The thing is Jim.. I can only assume that a cow, pig and such are exactly dead when they are skinned and such.. the seals are clubbed and are most of the time not even dead when they are skinned. The fact that they are only skinned for the fur makes it worse. I don't eat meat, but at least a cow is used.. they are not just killed for the leather.

Nowadays fur is not necessary.. we do not need fur, there are perfectly good substitutes. Bringing in the killing of other animals does not change the fact that this is senseless killing much the same as killing elephants for their tusks.

so we can assume that you didn't grasp the actual issue here now did you?

We talk about seals killing with sticks. The ecologists who go on the ice like Paul Henderson with cameras only takes and shows the most bloody images for sensationnal uses.

But imagine the same images when they shoot a beef in the head with an air gun, when they cut throats of a goat or of a pig with a knife, when cut chicken's neck to chickens tied by the legs heads down on wire. Hunters go in the wood every year here, sometimes they just hurt moose with big guns and they let him alone with their injuries.

All murders of animals are violent not just seals. Seals is most spectacular and more covered by the medias.

This issue is deeper than just seals IMO. We should ask if, us, humans, we are superior to animals and if you have the moral right to kill like we do. And if you push the logic to the end, plants are also living being, so vegetarians kill plants to feed themselves.

Ancient people sometimes ask pardon to the animal they needed to kill before they did it. They honored them and thanked them for helping to their survival. They respected the animals they killed. In our socities we lost this part of natural respect. Animals became products, and believe me they desserve much more.

Oh, puh-lease... We aren't eating trees.

Nat

nope plants are actually living, just because they don';t breathe or communicate the way we know doesn't mean they aren't alive.

and i didn't miss the point being made maria I was just raising the issue that most people don't have an issue with cows and whatnot being butchered horribly for meat (which they are) but they do with other animals.

doesn't matter what the use is, they're all being killed.

That's why some of us become vegetarians...